Yet more trolling. There is no hidden mmr, there is only displayed SR with decay and real SR without decay. For sub diamond there is a performance modifier for each individual game, thats it.
IQ and skill are fair advantages.
It’s not an excuse. It’s a simple fact.
What’s rich is people using excuses to try and claim it’s not cheating when the game’s reporting system clearly states it is.
A high tier player playing on a low tier smurf is not a “REALLY good player” nor is it “amazing” or “humbling” or “impressive” to watch a high tier player dominate lower tier players on a smurf.
It’s cheating.
There’s nothing really good, amazing, humbling or impressive about that.
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We’ve been over this before. Being better or smarter than your opponents isn’t an “unfair” advantage, but rather, a fair advantage that falls well within the rules.
Unfair advantages are things like hacks and cheats that an opponent could not reasonably overcome by staying within the normal guidelines of playing the game.
Edit: From Kaplan, himself:
Smurfing – and I know this isn’t what you want to hear – isn’t really that big of an issue. For example, a few weeks ago one of the Pro Overwatch players created a smurf account and was streaming from it. We were able to watch his MMR internally and compare it against his “main” account. Within 15 games, the MMR’s were equal. I know there is a very bad perception of Smurfing. But the reality is, skilled players are moved rapidly out of lower skill situations.
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perspective really. your perspective isnt the same as mine.
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i have reported THOUSANDS smurfs i NEVER got any blizzard letters
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A high tier player on a low tier smurf isn’t being “better” or “smarter”. It’s using their high tier skills, experience & knowledge to dominate players at the lower tiers.
That’s definitely giving them an unfair advantage, which is cheating per the game’s own reporting system definition.
First, he was clearly talking about PC, because smurfing is a huge issue on consoles where it’s free to make another account and you can make as many as you like.
Secondly, and using the example Jeff gave, for those 15 matches it took for the MMRs to sync up the player had an unfair advantage while playing on their smurf.
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So you consider cheating to be really good, amazing, humbling and impressive?
Says a lot about you, then, doesn’t it?
Embrace the smurfs because they improve players game.
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It’s cute indeed. It’s almost like it’s a sin to be good and to play smart. God forbid pro players from other games transitioning into this one! Also forbid players who are more talented than others playing this game. Gotta give all the casuals an equal playing field amirite?
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Don’t even try reasoning with the guy, he’s literally a hard stuck silver who thinks he’s there because of people “cheating” him. You can tell how bitter he is from each post he makes.
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as if he wanted to play in that sh;trank
You always say this, but it’s like you fail to grasp the understanding of what an “unfair advantage” actually is when it comes to competition. In regards to sports, business, law, etc., the term may be slightly subjective to fit the needs of each industry, but the general theme is always the same - an advantage that a competitor cannot reasonably overcome due to being obtained through questionable or unethical avenues that could either constitute a direct or indirect violation of the general codes of conduct that govern whatever industry we’re examining on a case-by-case basis. An “unfair advantage” is not the same thing as something that is labeled “unfair” in the colloquial sense.
As an example, let’s say we have an open adult 3-on-3 basketball tournament at a local rec center. Only the basic rules apply - you must furnish your own attire, pay a registration fee, no cheating, participants must sign a liability waiver, and everyone must be 18 or older to participate. The majority of your entrants will be average people that played in high school, but you’ll get some people that were probably college or semi-pro players. All of that would be expected.
Now let’s say Curry, Thompson, and Durant enter this tournament. Then, as expected, they annihlated all of the competition and won the championship. Also expected, a lot of people are crying foul because it isn’t fair for “normal” people to be forced to play against that level of competition. They’re just too good at what they do, and it’s unreasonable to expect the average person to keep up with them in even the slightest bit.
This brings us around to the point that you refuse to accept (if we applied those circumstances to OW) - the pros didn’t break any rules by playing in the tournament. They’re simply bigger, faster, stronger, and better than we are. So, yeah, in layman’s terms, it’s totally unfair. We never had a chance. But they didn’t cheat, and they never had an “unfair advantage”. They had the same rules and code of ethics applied to them as everyone else that entered.
I’m sure you’ll disagree and parrot the same nonsense as usual, but unfortunately for you, saying the same stuff in a passionate or repeated fashion doesn’t make you any more correct than the first time you tried to mirepresent the rules that govern the game. Blizzard has spoken, and they’re fine with people getting alt accounts to play on.
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There is a serious flaw in your logic. If well known pros enter tournament in real life, it is obvious, that they are, who they are. Their identity is not hidden, and, therefore, anyone, playing against them, does so at his own risk and expense.
And what do we have in OW or other online games? I would say, that playing on new (other, alt, whatever) account NOT IN YOUR RANK, is similar to fraud - someone hiding his true identity to gain an advantage. No formal rules are broken though, only ethical. And ethics and online games, well…lets leave this topic.
It’s not a flaw at all. Who the people actually are is completely irrelevant to what is happening in the game. You’re drawing an arbitrary distinction between the two because the applicable rule sets of each sport are so different in the real world.
Overwatch is structured in a way that multiple accounts are permissible. For the NBA guys, the result would be the same if each had a reset that meant they had to earn their place all over again.
The issue is that the leg people try to stand on whenever complaining about how alt accounts are an unfair advantage is that they’re decrying it as something the rules and systems aren’t already designed to handle, but they are. They cry that “it makes the match unwinnable”, but if we apply that logic across the board, you’d ban everyone you run across that performs better than you. We aren’t guaranteed winnable games in comp. We expect them to be fair, but on a match-to-march basis, they are not. Furthermore, the system is designed in a way that it can handle those new accounts just fine. It’s not as if people are actively gaming by making them.
You’re free to call it scummy, or even debate whether or not it’s truly ethical, but to broadcast the behavior as being against the rules is patently false. It is to contribute to an already monumental problem the game legitimately has - false reporting.
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I disagree that playing on 2nd account is fraud.
You are still that person. How you play is entirely up to yourself. The team you are with decides if you were throwing.
I’m not misrepresenting anything. I’ve directly quoted the game’s reporting system’s definition of cheating.
They didn’t say they’re “fine” with it at all.
Jeff K made a post where he claims smurfing isn’t an issue; however, as has been mentioned numerous times, he was clearly only referring to PC because it is a massive issue on consoles where smurf accounts are free to make.
Also, he said that smurfs move up within a few games, but he didn’t address the impact that said smurf has on those few games.
It’s by no means as cut and dried a situation as you’re trying to portray it.
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You’ve quoted them and attempted to spin doctor the words being used. That’s a textbook definition of misrepresenting an issue.
You’re making a leap in assuming their opinion on consoles would be different than PC when we have no reason to believe that is the case.
It clearly isn’t a big enough impact to be worth addressing, which is what the entire context of his post clearly implies.
It is as far as the rules are concerned, which is why I take issue with you constantly parroting the terms and trying to frame it as though alt accounts are reportable and bannable offenses.
As for how alts interact with the community, their impact on the game, and whether or not they should be allowed for potentially harming the integrity of the game… that’s as clear as mud, and I encouraged to advocate for what you believe in. Just stop calling it cheating, ‘cause “unfair advantage” doesn’t mean what you want it to.
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You’ve drifted so far off my reply, that I have to re-state my argument again.
This “fairness of the system” you rely upon, is ruined by allowing “alt accounts”. A player, able to reach GM or even top 500, is BY DEFINITION able to manipulate the system because of his skill, that allows him or her to reach his or her true rank in amount of time, incomparable to other players, he or she encounters at lower ranks. That’s what makes him or her reside in GM or top 500 - this ability to not notice the ladder friction, when he or she climbs.
If you call the ability to make a “bronze to gm” sprint within a week “being handled by the system well”, then the whole system was designed to allow, and, ultimately, PROMOTE all this “alt account” nonsense.
I don’t agree, that reporting clearly underranked players is false. Pretending to be a lower rank player, when you are not, is definitely gameplay sabotage for the players on the loosing end. It also spoils to game for players on the winning end, but getting an easy win conceals the fact, that they didn’t earn it.
I also would like to bring up another aspect. Are these “alt accounts” created to play with maximum effort and performance? NEVER. They are purposely created to participate in matches, in which a team, having an “alt account”, is at disadvantage - either because a player “tries” new hero, his has 0 or very little knowledge of, or because said player does not care about the game outcome. I don’t know, why people keep trying to defend this logic.