Proof of the bug I've been describing for years

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UPDATE 4 MONTHS LATER: What I’ve been talking about on this forum board non stop has finally been vindicated, a quote from the matchmaker devs: “There was a bug fixed in Season 3 that was deflating everyones rank downward by about 2-3 divisions.” - Literally exactly what I described: I have 4 accounts above Masters and 2 accounts that are hard stuck in PLAT. This week I logged onto those accounts and immediately skyrocketed up to Masters and the other is about to break into Masters (Currently diamond 1)

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There has been a matchmaking bug that I have been talking about on this forum for years where certain accounts get hard stuck and become more difficult to rank up.

In OW 1 I had multiple accounts in Masters, yet one.single.account was almost impossible to rank up, what this person reports on reddit with 21 wins and 1 loss yet is deranking is the SAME BUG: https://www.reddit.com/r/overwatch2/comments/yqaout/i_deranked_after_winning_21_games_in_a_row/

This is definitely NOT a NEW bug, this is what people have been facing for years where certain accounts get hard stuck. Some are hard stuck because of poor playing, many are because of this BUG. Here’s why we’re just now getting proof:

Overwatch 1 used HIDDEN MMR and visible SR, so in OW1 even though you played well your hidden MMR would drop and visible SR would look the same so you weren’t aware that your true rank was dropping even after winning matches.

Now fast forward to OW2 where they just use MMR, the bug is still there but now we have VISIBILITY to it so it’s obvious when you win go 21 and 1 and can see the visible MMR. THIS IS THE BUG I HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT FOR YEARS.

Pathetic it took this long for blizz to realize this.

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yeah no. youd have been able to see in with sr numbers changing. i really dont know what point you think youve made here but i can tell you that you havent proven anything

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I think the bug is simply mmr puts you higher but your sr and your sr gains display you at a lower rank / combine with team avg mmr vs rank avg mmr.

Also combine the factor of “certainty”, The more you play, the less mmr and sr gains (even though you’ve been researching and aim training and improving).

All the while, it’s obvious mmr calculations have changed. Albeit cause they gather more stats.

These are the solutions.
Relativistic performance stats
Role avg mmr
Certainty resets every week not every season, or lack of playing.

If they forced the account verification EVERYONE (at least more people) would be seeing the “hard stuck” issue.

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I believe in this bug but I would go and say that is not a bug but an intended feature.

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Yet when asked to prove this you absolutely refuse to. You’ve never had an account in masters

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I am just now climbing out of bronze 5 after 300+ wins. The first few sets of 7wins I was placed at bronze 5, then I was bronze 4 then back to bronze 5, then after 40 sets of 7wins, yes 40, I am just starting to climb up after each 7wins, bronze 4->3->2. No I didn’t take a special pill that made me better player. I was never a bronze player yet I was hard stuck. Why I couldn’t gain 100 sr in 280 wins？yet I could now after each set?

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Wrong.

My SINGLE account alone is proof. From <500sr to 2233sr in OW1 and Bronze 5 to Platinum 4 in OW2 so far one tricking as Hanzo.

The only bug keeping Players hard stuck is in their own head and it’s called Individual Skill.

and how many total losses do you have?

hmm maybe your net + gains were to small and/or even your wins may have had zero change. Especially if you won games because you were heavily carried to victory.

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Support climb (not Moria one tricking) and dps climb are completely apples and oranges. A dps can climb much faster with 40 elimination and 2 death every game because they have good supports that save them many deaths. They enable you, without them your stats will look much worse.

I can average 70-90% win in some sets or 50% win if I end up with bad teammates.

Yes there are complainers on this forum that are just bad, but there are many decent players that struggles with real issues. Just because you haven’t experience any it doesn’t mean it’s not real. Try to offer some real advises instead being so dismissive. If you don’t have anything helpful to say then don’t say anything.

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which is the reason why I share the things that I share.

To give you context, before I decided to one trick Hanzo to Masters, I was a support main engaging only in Competitive. I do have experience.

Quite the contrary. I’m not being dismissive whatsoever despite what and how others may perceive me and what I share.

How do you explain Support Players having actually climbed rank then? Were they lucky?

or are they skilled?

The answer is the latter.

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I didn’t say it’s impossible to climb.

Yes luck is factored in every aspect of life.

If you one trick Moria for the purpose of stats padding you can climb very quickly. I don’t need to explain to you why no one wants to play support in this dive meta and Moria’s teleport is the single reason why it is the most picked support in most low and mid ranking games.

If you group stack you can avoid being matched with new players, bad teammates, thrower and leavers.

If you play selfishly for stats and not for objectives, win conditions, saving other players when they have bad positioning, you can climb faster.

If you had relatively good sr and mmr in ow1 you can climb faster vs someone who hasn’t been playing and have much lower starting point.

We can all agree that matchmaking is a mess and it has many issues. There could be real issues with peoples rank beyond their skill level. I am tired of people like you that just like to pile on others and quick to judge they are in bronze cause they are bad.

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Keep in mind, this response is from someone who thinks that:

A) You shouldn’t swap heroes
B) The current MMR is fine
C) Individual performance supersedes team coordination and communication

So I wouldn’t take it to heart too much.

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It’s not that I’m QUICK to judge them being in Bronze. It’s because I have earned the RIGHT to judge them for complaining about being in Bronze while blaming EVERYTHING else other than themselves. Excuse after excuse after excuse.

You think it was easy being mad stuck <500sr where even your wins didn’t even move your SR all the while learning a very difficult hero? Of course you don’t because you’ve experienced it and are experiencing how challenging it really is.

I got out of <500sr to 2233sr playing on a Laptop with a 60hz monitor, a heavy wireless non-gaming mouse, a basic wireless keyboard, a mousepad with hardly any space for my mouse movement, which is why my sensitivity is 3.69 with a 1600 DPI. So lets rule out gear being the issue while I’m at it. Overwatch is the ONLY game I play so lets also rule out transferrable skill from other FPS games. I did it ONE TRICKING a single hero when I could’ve climbed rank MUCH faster if I did swap heroes.

You see, the faster the Player comes to the realization that the REAL ISSUE behind their rank is, in fact, their own individual skill, it won’t matter how hard you try and work to improve because your mind will not learn the necessary lessons it needs to because you won’t even be able to perceive it.

but you know what…maybe you are right.

maybe I should just stop giving out free advice, just stop being a bro to the Player base, stop caring in wanting to help other Players improve. maybe I should just stop telling Players that complain complain complain the truth and that the reason why they seemingly aren’t improving or ranking up or whatever have you is because of their complaining attitude, which is a fundamental variable as to why individual skill is subpar.

or

I can just be the bro, continually care for the Player base, and keep shedding light on an inconvenient truth that is vitally and absolutely necessary; otherwise, I fear that there will eventually the quality of the Player base in Overwatch will just be massive amounts of whining complainers, which will inevitably ruin this game to the ground.

First of all, so wrong on every single level probably because you’re just a terrible listener with some sort of bias and agenda that is preventing you from actually learning. Just goes to show your listening skills are also subpar.

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You know nothing about me and what I have done to try to figure out why my rank was stuck and what I went through to improve and overcome the odd. So yes you are quick to judge and quick to generalize everyone’s experience basing on your own experience. You are being dismissive.

Are you saying you can 1vs5 in this game cause your superior skill when you are stuck with bad teammates? Or you are denying the team lottery from bad matchmaking doesn’t exist it’s all skill.

Whatever you have accomplished through hardship, I am happy for you. But it doesn’t give you the right to be condescending.

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Biased and elitist.

Elitist.

Elitist. Your individual experience doesn’t equate to others.

Please do. It’s not the advice, but how you give it that’s the real issue.

I’m really not, I’m just kindly giving the OP some perspective based on clear comments I’ve seen you post. If you have an issue with that, that’s more of a “you” problem honestly.

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No because it takes a team to gain a victory.

However, YES, I can be the one to hard carry my team to victory even if they’re bad teammates.

How else do you think I climbed from Bronze 5 to Plat 4 in OW2? Lucky team lottery?
(Edit: let me clarify because I should have said it like this instead: How else do you think I climbed out of Bronze and Silver? Lucky team lottery?)

What is luck?

Luck is preparation meeting opportunity.

You’re right.

I only begin to behave like that when it’s acted towards me first.

Also, it is never my fault nor am I being condescending when the truth in and of itself being shared is so inconvenient that it comes across/interpreted as condescending, offensive or even stumbling.

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Again, apples and oranges. DPS and tank can have stronger carry potential than support. But you will still need other players to help you to carry. Unless you are doing 40 solo kills and final blows every game, those elimination are shared damage. Its there to psychologicaly make you feel good, don’t let that number get to your head. But we get it, you are billy badass. 307 posts. Here is my advise to you. I think maybe you are just spending way too much time on this forum and posts are starting to getting mixed up in your head.

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No, you’re being condescending. You’re using the inconvenient truth, regardless of whether it’s applicable, as a mask to act the way that you are. Hold yourself accountable, and improve your individual posting.

Good teams and good individual gameplay. However, your climb does not account for a multitude of variables that an individual may be experiencing. Your queuing as a dps. Regardless of your previous xp, you don’t know the struggles of a support climb.

I’m confused, you’re saying that it takes a team to get a victory, but you should play to boost your individual performance? What about team play without comms in these lower ranks, as you have previously stated? I’m legitimately confused.

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Can we see some of your most recent replays. Bro. Just want to see if you are hard carrying or hard carried.

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you’re right. I think i’ve had enough of my fill for the day. It gets really tiring when Players refuse to listen to the truth.

Can’t force people to accept the truth when they don’t want to.

I was just trying to help.

There’s no mask here. Just the simple truth that’s just so inconvenient that apparently merely sharing it alone comes across as condescending. But that’s just it isn’t it? The truth in and of itself is and will always be so superior that it can easily come across as condescending to those who refuse to listen/accept it.

warning, I’m going to be condescending here on purpose for this specific response:

Boo frikkin’ Hoo. EACH role has their own unique respective struggles in climbing. I may not be able to give you the nuance details of WHAT to do as a support hero because I don’t play Support. But do you know what EVERY Player that climbed rank in their respective role has in common despite it’s unique struggles?

A winning mindset. And THIS is precisely what I’ve been sharing all along, to which, you STILL aren’t listening. Stay stuck dude.

Learn how to play like a leader and lead your team to victory.

If you are improving in your individual skill, your individual performance will/should be able to lift up your teammates.

Consider it like this: distinguish who is the weakest on your team and learn how to make them a better Player during YOUR match. Whether that means you focus the same target as your weakest teammate; buddy up with them b/c they keep going off rogue; peel back and save them; etc.

If you need comms to know what’s going on with your team, you’re not aware of the environment, your team placement, nor your own positioning. There’s always room for improvement.

Also, I use my teammates as bait to pick off an the enemy focusing them. Like a sombra attacking the backline, etc.

Remember: if the enemy is focusing on your teammate, they don’t have eyes on you so it should be easy for you to get the pick on them.

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Let’s stop the word vomit and see some replays.