Problematic OW2 Supports need reworks

  • Zen

Discord is very powerful for 0 mechanical skill, yet the character struggles to survive.
:arrow_right: Nerf discord and buff survivability.

  • Ana

Very impactful abilities, but also bad survivability without those cooldowns.
:arrow_right: Lower the cooldown and reduce the impact accordingly.

  • Brig

Still not intuitive for low ranks, still not fun for high ranks.
:arrow_right: Revert her 2-2-2 rework and tweak the numbers to be balanced. Make her a proper solo Q hero that is only situational in high ranks.

  • Moira

Still not challenging to play, yet not satisfying either. Moira doesn’t stimulate any Adrenaline hormones for the majority of players.

Why is Moira the only one without solution :sob:

Good question. Even the devs are struggling to find a solution for years. :joy_cat:

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making everything a pillow fight to pander to fragile casuals is what killed ow1.
they just need to add more skill based support heros. lack of support options is bottlenecking the game.

Well, call me a minority. I might agree with her not being very challenging, although extending her potential as far as it goes does require a lot better reflex/quick thinking and timing than you think… I do find her gameplay very smooth, satisfying and fast paced. I like Ana, she’s fun to play, and Brig too, Zen seems fun to me in concept, but one thing that brings me back to Moira isn’t the lack of intense aim requirement, it isn’t the get out of jail free card (which at times can land you right back in jail… straight to jail)…

It’s her fast, fluid, seamless gameplay.

She’s getting reworked, and I’m apprehensive of it, but also interested to see what they do.

Casuals and Solo Q fighters represent the vast majority of players.
You either give them a fun game or the game will fail and die. That’s just a fact.

Plus, these changes are not meant for casuals only.
Even high ranks are complaining about that.
High ranks hate Moira.
High ranks hate discord.
High ranks hate Brig.
You seem to tunnel vision with your “casual” conspiracy theory.

I also have many hours on Moira. I don’t mind her as she is now, because she is not obnoxious or broken, she is just niche. But i feel like she has wasted potential. The character design is unique but it doesn’t feel satisfying… but maybe that’s just me.

I would hate to say it but I agree. I love her as is and I think I’m sitting close to 200ish hours, maybe more? Which isn’t a lot but I also have a couple hundred hours on Pharah, racking up some others…

Point is, I hope they don’t make her unrecognizable, or too janky/slow… skill shots are fine but her movement is what makes her.

Yeah i agree.
I hated the Orisa rework despite the character being more fun now.
I hate soft-deleting a hero to make it better.

Doom was still recognizable and i think that’s a successful rework.

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This is why we pay people to make balance changes

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Who is “we”?
Who are the “people”?
And what are “we” paying them?
I don’t get it.

“When you pay peanuts, you get monkeys” - gordon ramsay

Boo hoo. Keep crying or go play Cod or whatsoever ffs.

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zen is meant to be a glass cannon. survivability buffs would go against what his character should be

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Is OW your own property? do you allow me to play it?
And what do you mean by “keep crying”? you toxic little kid.

Moira isnt mechanically challenging to play for sure, but she requires a lot of awareness and decision making that other supports dont need because they dont have a resource and/or can heal while they dps.

Mechanical difficulty is completely irrelevant to the enjoyment of a hero. The truth is that any hero could feel bland if they had been nerfed to the same level that Moira has.

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That never stopped them before. And it didn’t save him this time either.

in my opinion, it makes the game a lot more fun when characters are strong at specific things, but have easily exploitable weaknesses, such as hog, who can oneshot and deal crazy damage, but is weak to cc and focus. buffing zens hp instead of his strengths is (imo) bad design philosophy

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To be fair, getting one hit killed by a Widow bodyshot was going to make Zen an F tier pick, lol

Anyone is weak to focus tho.

Hog is in fact kinda resistant to it thanks to 600hp and massive selfhealing with DR attached to it. Not to mention reduced ult gains that incentivize not hitting him.

he is also round with no mobility