And team play! As much as OW1 or even more so. If you watch the competitive scene you know what I’m talking about. Tanks setting up dives with their DPS, supports peeling for each other and also defending against tank aggression, comp picks using either brawl, rush , or poke strategy. Long range sniper duels, honestly OW2 has it all. And positioning is so important and it’s amazing to see how the pros play that line between aggressive and defensive positioning so well. Watch some matches of the Midseason Madness if you want to see some of the things I’m talking about in action.
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Those people are on a team that play and practice and communicate with each other everyday. Not sure what chance in hell I have that random Joe #27839532 in my match is gonna peel for me, or set up dives for our dps, but sure, I guess.
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Tbf it’s not like strategy was a thing for 90% of players in OW1 anyways
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This. I don’t get why it’s so hard for regular players to grasp the fact that pro players are different from them. 99.9% of the player base don’t have the skill or a full team to pull off these strats.
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i am the kind of player who can be an overwatch league level player one match and a bronze level player the next(okay overwatch league level is a bit of an exaggeration but still) and i agree, that is why even in lower ranks communication is important…if only i talked
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Not saying there was, just pointing out that the same people playing OW1 are gonna be playing OW2, so I’m not really expecting much in terms of teamwork outside stacks.
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And what do you think pros did with OW1? Fling poop at walls like chimpanzees and hope it worked?
SAME GAME
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Personally I like the hero variety. Sigma, Winston, Rein, Ball, doom, and zarya see regular play. I’ve seen bap lucio zen Ana brig and even Moira get decent usage. Dps are kind of locked behind Sojourn, tracer, genji, echo, Ashe, widow, reaper, sombra, genji, and mei, but that’s a lot more than in OW1.
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I’ve been watching Midseason Madness it’s no different from OW1 these are pros practice the game everyday so of course they are going to dive and make plays together. What you just posted is the equivalent of saying “wow the pros are really playing the game together well.” That statement does not = OW2 has more or less strategy then OW1 it simply has no correlation.
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no roadhog is sadge, also no junker queen when she is playable
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Nah, no one watches that unless for tokens.
They removed one whole tank, reduced shields and let DPS have more open season on other players. They’re also making the heroes more similar. There’s less strategy now, sorry.
And just watched five minutes of OWL currently. Lots of kills and people wandering around a lot. Looks more like Team Deathmatch than ever before.
Have fun with that.
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True, although I did catch one match (valiant v. Fusion?) on Gibraltar where they pulled out an unironic hog and dva. While ideally it would be nice to see every character get play at higher tier of play the variety we have now is appreciated and I’m mostly satisfied (but I would give a kidney to see torb play)
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The pro level still suffers from a lot of mirror to near mirror matches.
Their team strategy and synergy is unique but the hero tools they are given are still shallow as they are repetitive in matchups.
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i really hate this premise of pros being the only people capable of basic teamplay.
its not like pros are somehow built different. every player has the potential to learn something from the best players and a lot of them do. be it communication, micro or macro play. maybe as a diamond player with masters peak, i am a bit of in a bubble as well. but i have coached many lower elo players than me and a lot of them understand the things i introduce to them and are able to climb elo with the newly learned concepts.
yes, higher elo player and pros are communicating more even in soloqueue, not only in full stacks and i think this is a good thing. communiation and coordination being one of the core assets is what makes overwatch a good pvp game. if those things wherent important at all, ow would be a trash game entirely.
but to come back to what i said at the start: its not like there is no coordination or communication outside the pro scene. i have played in games as low as gold where the dps and tanks set up dives or built angles, sometimes with, sometimes without communication. sure its not constant and you sure cant count on it, but its not completely absent either.
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It is irrelevant only to the subset of players who can share zero habits or relevant values with OWL players.
You don’t need to be as aware of everyone’s positioning, as able to guess what your teammates and enemies are each going to do, etc., as an OWL player, to find strategy in OW2. You need only start being mindful of either, and gradually get used to the new setting.
Early in Beta 1, OW2 felt a bit more “CoD” than it felt “OW.”
By its end, though, as my average teammates got more familiar with the new setting (or I just randomly happened to get more career Open Queuers and their learned flexibility), it played pretty much the same as OW1—just more in the sense of a 1-3-2 or 1-4-1 Open Queue Comp game than traditionalized Rush or Double-Shield or Winston-D.Va dive 2-2-2.
By Beta 2, it just played like any decent Open Queue match.
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I never played open Q in the beta but Ill try it in beta 3 and hopefully I get the same experience.
Oh, to be clear, I meant Open Queue Competitive or QPC on OW1, which tends more often to be based around coordination than composition, at least when compared to Role Queue.
If one was ever used to doing well in OQ Comp, those skills, habits, and considerations carry over to pretty quickly to OW2. It’s only when used to very specific, iconic forms of “teamwork”—and those forms alone—that OW2 ends up so jarring or would seem sparse of strategy.
I.e., OW2 isn’t lacking in strategy, only some of the very particular flows of play that people mistake for the whole of strategy available to OW (be that 1 or 2).
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honestly i only watch it occasionally so i didnt see that, the tank range in overwatch league sounds impressive i just wish it wasnt my mains that never ever get used in the overwatch league…its fun to watch your mains being used in high level play, i remember Taimou’s hog back in the day, and Jjonak’s hog was a lot of fun to watch but that was quite a while ago
Yeah hog will need a rework in 5v5 if he ever wants to be meta unfortunately
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I think that’s the point. People who don’t fully understand OW2 are claiming it lacks strategy compared to the original.
OP is pointing out that pros are playing it with the same amount of coordination and strategizing as they did its predecessor. Thus, any lack of these things in our matches just reflects our poor teamwork and understanding of the game, and not the game itself.
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