Predictable players these days

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After losing a game. I added a player which i assumed is a girl that plays valorant and then builds this habit of " idc i just play lose i don’t care" because this behavior today is every common and there is no punishment. Cheating is actually better because you can actually spot it and report it. This one even if you report the player nothing happens. Riot does nothing and eventually she will ask for account boost to let say diamond and play only aram.

I needed to confirm my assumptions and so got into call with her.
in champ select she said this is bronze so …

I explained to him this is not bronze. SG Singapore league servers is not bronze. Every rank in the game is diamond and I’ll explain why.

in SG league servers every rank is diamond because once a duo/ account boosted player or an actual player climbs to diamond they stop playing ranked because they cannot compete at that level and start losing. No dopamine = depression.

So then what do they do? obviously they need the wins. They play not for ranked/ competition/ becoming an Esports legend. They play for the dopamine especially in a city that’s very stressful and with alot of disconnected people with mental health issues. what they do is make new accounts to bully new players and enjoy winning at lower divisions/ elos.

so in order for the average player like you and me to win in SG2 league of legends server. You have to play like a challenger player EVERY GAME. Because a challenger player can beat a complacent diamond player slacking in lower ranks, fake boosted players in bronze , silver, gold, plat diamond. You can only play ranked in SG2 League of leegnds server if you are as good as a challenger player in your prefered role versus the alt account diamond / boosted players.

I explained this to her via MIC

she: okay cool can we play now?

me : after hearing everything that i just said. Do you think that you are capable of 1v9 playing like a challenger player? Are you here to win or not are and lose?

player : no

me : Then i said why would u still play?

Then i hit her nerve by saying this because let’s face it. it’s way to obvious at his point. the creation of the game valorant is one of gaming’s biggest mistakes in my opinion because it allows.

" YOU PLAY VALORANT, LOSE GAMES AND NOW DECIDE TO COME HERE TO LEAGUE THINKING YOU CAN DO THE SAME THING".

WHEN BOTH GAMES ARE COMPLETELY OPPOSITE

Player : Yes i just lost games in valorant and i dont really care and so im here to play league and don’t really care about it too.

me : So the you built that habit of ,“idc about losing in valorant and then transfer it to league”. is very wrong because they are 2 completely diff games and you’re not plkayign with your friends but with other people.

Player : yes i played valorant and i lose so now im here.

me : in SG league servers every rank is diamond because once a duo/ account boost or actual player climbs to diamond they stop playing because they cannot compete at that level and start losing.

me : so what they do is make new accounts to bully new players and enjoy winning. No surprise.

me : so in order for the average player like you and me to win. You have to play like a challenger player EVERY GAME.

Player : then she said okay cool can we play now as a duo

me : after hearing what i just said. Do you think that you are capable of 1v9 playing like a challenger player?

she said no

then i said why would u still play?then i hit her nerve by saying this

" YOU PLAY VALORANT LOSE GAMES AND NOW DECIDE TO COME HERE TO LEAGUE THINKING YOU CAN DO THE SAME THING".WHEN BOTH GAMES ARE COMPLETELY OPPOSITE

Player : said yes i just lost games in valorant and i dont really care

so then i told her you built that habit of idc about losing in valorant and then transfer it to league is very wrong because their 2 completely diff games

Player : then angrily said

" SO YOU NOT PLAYING AND JUST WANTED TO DISACT MY MIND AND HIT ME WITH MY WRONG DOINGS?"

me : it’s not that i want to do that it’s because you are now part of the majority. You built that habit of " i don’t care about losing, play the game at the lowest skill level while asking for boost and now nobody can play because you and + 3 teammates are doing the same thing". I believe forced losses is a generational issue not a system issue.

She : ok i get it you just want to pick my brain and not play ok bye and leaves to lose future games and then CHOOSE TO EITHER GO BACK TO VALORANT OR

So this is why it’s relevant because it leads to here. OVERWATCH.

League use to be : If i play like challenger vs diamond alt accounts who cant compete in their main accounts / account boosters with TEAMMATES WHO ACTUALLY GIVE A SHIIT. like they are here to try their hardest to win.

League now : If i play like challenger vs diamond alt accounts who cant compete in their main accounts / account boosters. You’d still lose because you’re teammates are ONLY HERE BECAUSE

  1. They don’t like losing and lost matches in Valorant and decide to play league and do the same.
  2. Their valorant friends are offline. so they play league instead to lose for themselves and others.

So this is why i strongly believe that valorant was a HUGE MISTAKE. Because it built a habit for an entire generation where competitive gaming = play with friends, boosting and if solo losing = i don’t care because they really CAN DON’T CARE. Why? because

  1. They don’t really care about league. valorant is their main game

  2. Their friends can boost them

So this spreads to overwatch. So now as a competitive player your environment is filled with valorant players who invade either league or overwatch infecting others with the mindset of " i don’t really care" / lying that losing means nothing when it actually does.

This is why voice chat in league is so useful. It will be able to detect and ban players who don’t take rank seriously from the ones that do and it’s too obvious why riot doesn’t implement this because they need bad players to continue hiding behind a monitor being bad because they give them money.

Miss the old days. Where gaming was actually competitive form both sides try Harding. Even the troll that had a losing spree notices the teams try Harding and decides to play to win.

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I’m very confused.

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i tried reading this twice and i still dont understand, all i got was players switch over from game to game with the “if i lose idc” attitude.

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looks like he harrased this poor girl, for me.

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I stop reading until you said, I added a player because I assume its a girl. predictable players these days Yup what you did was very predictable little man.

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No shes going back to valorant comp with her friends to be random or play solo ona losing spree and then transfer that " i don’t care about comp, i don’t care if im trolling or affecting other people" missing that human aspect of comp games" forgetting you’re playing with actual people that are not like u a loser and want to win. TRANSFERING IT TO LEAGUE/ OVERWATCH and then after a few games of trolling in league and overwatch. Goes back to valorant.

This is the trend now and it’s easy to get into the minds of these players. Companies like blizzard and Riot are doing the very best they can to call their games competitive but advocate casual play. they also push players that are actually competitive in a competitive game mode. You have to be casual to play comp now or else people will dislike/ report you. Playing to win is bad, being a winner is bad. Int he name of inclusivity. You need to become a loser like everyone else. Stop trying, stop trying to get good at the game. Practice playing with account boosters. is the new norm and the majority of players.

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The only thing I can decipher is that you’ve been behaving like a douche and care way too much about how and why other people play.

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ofcourse, because like i said. We have to turn DOWN the competitiveness of men and turn UP the casual side or the " you can play comp even if you don’t care about the game or the other people in it".

so by me asking a player you’re going to still play even if you know that in order to win in league of legends you have to play like a challenger player every game because your enemy is not actually bronze like you think but diamond players who cant compete in diamond and so have to create alternate smurf accounts because the dopamine for winning is why they play or diamond smurfs making a living out of boosting services for lower division players. To beat them you have to play like a challenger player and you also have the advantage because they will be slacking. Climbing ranks is easy for them. unless if you play too well and they find that a threat and start to wake up from their slouched position trying to stop you from winning the game. This is how you win in Singapore League of legends servers. It’s not like in valorant where u have the luxury to rely on others to win games for you and casual players that play comp in valorant aren’t actually in it for the competitive side of the game but for the social aspect. Which is different.

So this " valorant losing means nothing, i don’t care about winning or other players trying to win " is a generational problem that if the player to choose can transfer to other games like league and overwatch.

Which is why you see so many players with high ranks not matching the ranks. In Singapore we have a saying, " work for reward, reward for work". Which is a huge game changer as it is our core value that made us strive to make the country into the nation it is today. Most of these bad valorant players get the reward that is a high rank but didn’t put in the work. they have the luxury to go on loosing spree because at any moment friends will be online and you will be well on your ay up back to whichever high rank you are given.

This problem transfers to league / overwatch. It’s a generartional cultural problem and it’s indoctrinating children to think the person that their playing with is not a human being and a teammate that is here to win but someone they can attack verbally and lose on purpose or not in any way think about self improving themselves because in order for a unit to work well everyone has to be good. If everyone slacks then someone has to pick up the slack and do the extra work which nobody wants to do and just takes the L like its okay and in this scenarios if you’re a player that wants to win. You have pick up the slack, lift all the weight and try to win. be the only man/ women on the team that’s wants to win. That wants to be a winner and not a consistent loser and be play with it. indication of no self respect.

Don’t blame me . Riot and blizzard are the ones exploiting bad behavior for income instead of focusing on rewarding competitiveness by adding features like solo queue only and voice chat. Allowing players to vote on non competitive players/ toxic players out of the game. Riot could review said players and take action. its alot easier for players to spot a toxic player / someone thats trolling and not competetive in solo queue only mode.

What riot and blizzard can do is maybe not get rid of them from the game completely but ban them from ranked for maybe a day, week, month, until they might have to take the player out completely knowing that said player is way too casual for comp games and doesn’t take them seriously the rest of his teammates.

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Guy, I’m a teacher in real life, and your essay is just repeating a single point over and over again.

Let me give you the benefits of what you have just complained about. Isn’t it easy to beat these guys and rank up then?

Furthermore, it might just be a coping mechanism. If I lose, I don’t care, because this way it makes me happier. But I do take the game seriously and am happier when I win.

Perspectives man.

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If I lose, I don’t care, because this way it makes me happier ← is now the majority. Players developed this from valorant and are now bringing it over to league/ overwatch. it wasn’t as bad at it is today. The concept of playing a team game to lose because it makes the individual happy is something Blizzard would disagree with. How do i know that or can say that? they’ve been saying it for years but that too is changing because of marketing profits. We need the loser/ it’s okay to be boosted players to threat comp games casually , allow boosting and, trolling/ toxicity because it makes Blizzard money.

Remmeber what happened when players said gg in chat? Blizzard fixed it so why can’t they fix this problem? because they can’t when these players are now the majority. If this was a test for your afterlife. Hell would be full packed because there’s too many losers with boosted accounts.

Again and i’m not the first to say it. Every pro has said it a thousand times. SOLO QUEUE ONLY MODE. The current Q we have now is SOLO QUEUE ONLY + you have to carry bad players/ trolls/ toxic players. Like we’re playing to make losers happy. if we had solo Q only mode . it will be much easier to report a troll, boost. Someone who doesn’t take ranked seriously and is affecting other players. Blizzard id gonna do it. It’s coming real soon but they’re waiting. Waiting for what? Waiting for Riot to signal the green light and activate SOLO Q only in league. Blizzard waits for riot to do implement something first before doing it themselves. it use to be the other way . So now we gotta wait. probably 2025. Unless if riot can finally speed up and fix things. RIOT took 10 years to fix something in league that’s so miniscule… I’m not even kidding they take 10 years to fix the most basic things players have said 10 years ago. Solo queue only might come soon but it will take another 10 years. Maybe we get overwatch 4 by then.

People will actually use the mics more in solo queue only because it will be purely competitive. because good players are not dehumanized they don’t play games to escape. they play for the competitiveness and drive. Solo Q only mode will showcase the highest level of overwatch gameplay, teamwork and toxicity but the toxicity will die out as solo queue real gamers will report them and ban them. EASY.

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I’m not disputing anything you said, but you gotta find a way out to make yourself happier man. Just saying, for every bad player on your team, there’s the same bad players on the other team, if not this match, then the next match or the next. Truth is the game is designed for maximum profitability, and was meant to make money out of us in the highest priority. That said, take care and don’t be so angry man.

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you need to be banned.

your brain is fried.

harassed the poor girl/player

get a life dude.

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I like how this exact mindset is what he was talking about. He had a conversation and didnt attack her, she continues replying, yet because it’s something you disagree with, “he should be banned”

Its very simple to understand what he said. The problem you are creating is that you either agree or disagree, but instead chose to attack him. Like he said, he is against the common mindset of being handed everything (i.e, participation trophy era) and because the majority of the players right now are in that very mindset, it makes the experience miserable for a lot of other people.

I can understand that with or without rambling.

Now my own point against the OP is that there are many games where you can shine as an individual without any consequences, so I would try those. Of course you like these games, so you might need to adapt to your teammates or find your own team with likeminded individuals. Your problem ks also easily solved.

I’m not going to argue with anyone but both sides are right here, but your communicating needs work.

And to add to this, just understanding from a marketing perspective in games, women are a relatively untapped audience, so any game that caters to them (not saying these do or that this is the type of game that is for women) and is good will likely make money and at the very least, a splash.

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So… do either of you actually play Overwatch???

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I don’t know if you mean me or those two, but I have played over 4000 hours in Overwatch