Breakpoints are made for a reason, when cree gets pocketed he doesn’t turn into a ashe so why when ashe get pocketed she turns into a better widow.
Ideas
Lower her dmg to 75 so she’ll do 98 dmg withh pocket instead of 104
But instead of dumpstering her aka making her as bad as projectile characters RiP :’(
Increase her range by 5/10ms
And give her 1/2 more bullets
So roughly the same powerlevel just not as oppressive with pocket
if im honest, any dps pockable by mercy becomes silly|
Phara echo, mcree ashe widow hanzo. its not only ashe
Yea but it doesn’t change break points ie you’re still going to have to hit a direct plus a very close splash to kill a squishy as pharah even with pocket
doesnt matter, pharmarcy is hard to kill if phara knows play the hero, phara mercy combo can create a lot of space for team, only way counter that combo having zen mercy yourself, where usually people will play their ana or lucio or other support doesnt help counter pocket
solution seems clear. just delete mercy’s damage boost. or the entire hero itself.
Yea I understand all that (in a way because pharah is currently useless and almost as bad as bastion Rn atleast in my rank) but I’m trying to specify breakpoints tbh
You can always try, but Heroes never die.
Knowing Blizzard they’re more likely to nerf Mercy instead of nerf Ashe.
Haha ashe doesn’t need nerfs just tweaks to reduce that synergy but move powerlevel to other parts of her kit
Ie they could do the same with zen
Reduce discord from 30 to 25
But make harmony last longer out of line of sight or reduce zens hitbox
Basically making him similar powerlevel but less of a tankbuster and not as oppressive in a poke meta
Just an example
phara alone yeah shes useless, its just pocket makes her too strong, phara is only good if you have the pocket
Nah even with pocket she’s a semi throw pick, unless they’re running characters that all can’t contest her in any shape, even bap in masters and above can shutdown pharmacy pretty easy, I’d know because I’m usually that bap
instead of nerfing ashe they should nerf mercy. she enables DPS and hitscan way too much
Not really only with ashe does mercy pocket become oppressive pocketed widow soldier cree is all pretty much range increases rather than threshold breakers like ashe
With pocket it literally turns a 2 shot kill into 1 that’s a 50% reduction lolol pretty busted
Claiming a Boosted Ashe is a better widow is one of the most brutal overexaggerations Ive seen this month.
Ashe hitbox is bigger, she moves slower when scoped too and her actual reaching distance befor fall off is smaller. Her damage, of course, is smaller than a Boosted widow (because 2v1 comparisons are not fair) so yeah, false premise.
Ashe gets a 25% movement penalty which is less than hanzo (30%) and I believe widow gets 55% so what u smoking boyyyuyyyyyyy
And she can still oneshot most maps except kilos of junkertown first so effect ranges aren’t super relevant to a certain extent it’s not like she has crees range. It’s pretty much perfect for most maps ie horizon lunar collony high ground looks pretty far from the choke but she can still 1 shot from there
She also has 2x or more the range. Check your maths pal.
It does when you have a smaller hitbox and more than TWICE the range.
Nobody can reach widow effective range if she doesnt want to, but everyone can reach Ashe’s.
Big. HUGE. Difference.
Nah.
Read what you wrote agin then bud
I’m simply correcting ur statement lol
You should understand instead of replying for the sake of replying too.
I said Ashe moves slower when scoped too (like she gets a movement penalty) ,therefore what I said is 100% correct.
I didnt say she moves slower THAN WIDOW.
Questionmark? 
Tbh it’s easier to contest a widow than ashe to me atleast unless u meet that god widow then I’d agree but any average joe can play ashe to a very competent degree, widow ha not so much
I support 100000000%