Why shall we be forced to play the way you want it?
And balancing this game wouldn’t be that hard even without role lock. The devs just need some ears, to hear about the problems they shall fix, and some balls to go the way they want. Blizz are kinda afraid to change the game drastically, although they already have a safe place to experiment, the PTR.
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Honestly, I don’t think the game is that far from balanced as it is.
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Oh look, that old stupid argument. OF COURSE people are going to suck. But 2-2-2 will also ensure the dps is better off. Sym? Works really well with some tanks and healers around her.
And with 2-2-2 force, Blizzard can balance the game so that of meta tank/dps/healer have a better chance.
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I think you are the inflexible one if you need the structure to function
Just git gud 
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Would still be better then the current status que. Role select won’t fix everything, but it will increase the quality of matches on average with per role matchmaking and less lopsided matches.
No more games lost in the spawn room is reason enough for 2/2/2 on its own.
Why would one tricking be a problem? If someone only wants to play one character then that’s fine. Their SR will reflect how well they play that character.
For people who play more than one character in a class, yes, it will be muddied by that, but still far less muddied than having one SR for every role and every character.
It will never be perfect, but there’s no point in letting the perfect be the enemy of the good.
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Use LFG if you are so desparate
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Honestly, I think you’d earn yourself some points if you made your case and refuted the opposition rather than just calling the arguments stupid. As it stands this
Is no better than this
Why should they force 2-2-2? Why would it be inherently good? What would stop the matches from sucking?
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Ones a joke and the other isn’t
But yeah 2-2-2 is likely to prematurely kill the game as queue times skyrocket.
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You can see the role pickrates for QP here at several past dates:
https://web.archive.org/web/*/https://www.overbuff.com/roles
You’ll notice the pickrate for tanks was higher in January of 2017 than it is now.
Supports pickrate on the other hand is nearly 50% higher.
I’d suggest that people fundamentally do not want to play tanks. You might be able to massage an extra % or two out of people that like everything about the hero but the mechanics but, I don’t think you’ll get more.
You can’t use LFG as the foundation for balancing the game in the same way as you can when you fix the number of characters that can be played in each role.
This is another reason why game quality will improve. It will be significantly easier for the devs to balance characters when they know exactly how many from each class there will be in each game.
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LFG doesn’t take into account ping like the matchmaker does.
I’ve used LFG and my ping shoots up 130 ms when grouping with some people, while I average 40 ms when playing solo.
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2-2-2 will become less and less needed the more characters bliz releases. The main reason for 2-2-2 is to stop a dominant meta from forming. But it is know that balancing becomes significantly easier the more characters there are. And when the playerbase has a lot of options it becomes much harder for a dominant meta to form naturally. Rather than artificially stopping the meta time and time again with radical balance changes.
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IMHO, this argument is not really valid, as a character’s role doesn’t really impact the character itself; the role is descriptive, having a “tank” role does not force the hero to be a tank, but being a tank makes the hero be in the “tank” role.
Please, for the love of god
do not force 2-2-2
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It doesn’t really make balancing easier, but gives more options to it; although, it is still a good thing if devs know what they do. And, btw, new heroes are actually good for stopping a metatrain, as they can provide completely new utilities, that are useful against the meta.
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Why not?
It would be so awesome!
Don’t you like awesome stuff!?
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It makes balancing easier in the sense that they don’t have to balance against metas. So Dive wasn’t nearly as good at the start of the game brig wouldn’t have had to been released. And if we had a hero that had a piercing shot brig might have never been oppressive as she was.
It’s just if the community has options things aren’t problems for the devs it’s things the players have to work around. It only becomes a problem for the devs if the players don’t have the tools needed to work around certain comps
It would be terrible to force such a thing.
if you want 2-2-2, you have LFG.
use it, rather than force the rest of us into a mode you want for yourself
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No it wouldn’t it would just reward the people that can’t adapt and punish creative people in this game