I find it super ironic that you are advocating for forcing a specific comp upon the whole player base and are also saying that people that are against the idea are “choosing their own play style over everyone else’s”.
That’s literally what you are advocating for, not Alex.
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You are being selfish.
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I know it’s a losing battle, that doesn’t mean it’s an unjust one.
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I never said it wouldn’t be easier to balance, but saying it’ll be more fun is a matter of opinion rather than fact.
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I don’t play competitive.
5a. Again, not praying to any gods here.
5b. Really happy to just go with the flow and make the best of it.
5c. Remember that whole thing about optional role queue? The way that works is I can pray to whatever gods I want without it stopping you from having a stable game to your liking.
Now look, this has been really fun and all, but I’ve been at this for 6 hours, and you guys haven’t actually raised a single new point since lolezread and I agreed that forced 222 in quickplay was stupid. And I’m tired af, so I’m going to bed. If you guys make any compelling points over night, I’ll be sure to consider replying to them tomorrow. Cheers, loves!
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I’ve advocated for a base standard that’s what people want out of role que and role lock or what have you. we don’t wanna stifle your “fake creativity” it’s to make the game more enjoyable for me, you, joe blow who has two children at home, the idiot stoned out of his gord, the drunk streamers. its making a base standard to help the game improve over time which seems some people don’t understand or are scared of what might change.
that’s what people are advocating for its a BASE STANDARD OF THE ACTUAL GAME IN COMPETITIVE not a toss up…
you can in quick play or arcade or the many other options heck even LFG 
so you can find people to fill around your specific wants.
This is the core of Overwatch. Developers have stated that the premise of the game is to switch heroes mid match. And now you want to change the fundamental identity of this game by adding in role lock.
How many times must we say it? Me and others here do not mind if 2-2-2 comes to competitive. I DO mind when it comes to QP. There are tools that can be used. If they are broken, then GET THE DEVS TO FIX THEM. Stop trying to destroy the game in the name of balance because that is how you kill a game.
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That’s… all I’m asking for. But the same goes for you. In any mode.
Except for maybe comp, which I keep trying to explain I don’t really play or care about, so that’s not really part of my fight…
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then what are we arguing about here? lol I agree with this and I think quick play should be a free for all… so we are in agreement no? so why dislike my shizz mr. lol
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Are we landing in a place of relative agreement, even if it’s only partial?
Like, before I log off, down half a bottle of Advil, and call it a night, have we reached a consensus that forced 222 in quickplay is stupid?
Cuz I can work with that.
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I’m arguing for it to be implement automatically in competitive only because I shouldn’t as well as many others have to go to a entirely different section of the game to start playing competitive to have a half decent experience. It should be from the click play that it happens it’s just terrible player experience and that’s why LFG flopped hard.
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Dope. I’ll take it.
Gnight.
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Except when do you think Blizzard has gotten things right? I’m only against this because they don’t know how to get it right. Consider the following:
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Players didn’t like mass resurrection on Mercy - Blizzard reworks her and we have the moth meta for almost a year
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Players like myself wanted scatter arrow removed on Hanzo - He gets a mini rework that makes him more frustrating to play against
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High ranked players don’t want to play Dive anymore after over a year of it - we get Brig who single-handedly broke the game for the first few months before she was nerfed into oblivion.
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And now players are tired of poor team planning and want role queue - and you expect Blizzard to get it right this time?
That’s all I’m saying. Every major change that they’ve made to this game has resulted in more and more problems. I just don’t want what isn’t broken to be constantly fixed. It’s disheartening and divides the community further.
The core of Overwatch is switching heroes. How is locking 2-2-2 fundamentally different from OHL? Wouldn’t that be a bigger betrayal of the games core concept considering other people can lock you out of the hero you want to play?
Because at the end of the day, while it’s great to say “yeah, we want every hero to be good AND not implement 2-2-2”, it’s just not a realistic goal so long as the synergy between stacking multiple Healers and Tanks exist. It forces the Devs to keep Tanks and (some) healers much weaker than they should be which in turn greatly limits the amount of viable comps those heroes can be used in.
And the game being imbalanced (as well as having incredibly slow balance cycles) has done far more damage than anything ever could. Remember at the end of the day, Overwatch IS a PvP game and that necessitates balance changes that plenty of people aren’t gunna like.
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Oh trust me we are in agreement here lol, I don’t trust blizzard for crap right now i’m sure most don’t lol!
Still agree here, I didn’t like the rework but I had no say so on that. I thought it was a bit meh she had to hide to use the ultimate effectively but I’m pretty sure there could have been something different that they could have done while keeping her old kit she had.
I actually loved scatter but I understand why it was removed and I don’t like his new abilities but we aren’t sitting here fighting about good and bad abilities I understand that some stuff blizzard does is stupid or isn’t balanced in the end but I’m sure given time and more just experience and data after role lock in competitive they can start understanding and working better to balance things.
People still forget that this game was blizzard jumping in head fist into a market and game style they have never made before this and they are still learning and adapting as we go as well.
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Being able to flex across roles in order to secure a win is something I’ve done multiple times before. And role lock would take away the tools that I need in order to help my team to win. Why do you want to limit my available heroes from 30 to 7? Especially when there are tools available for you to use?
The point I’m trying to make is I DO NOT trust Blizzard to make the right decision here. They have made many missteps in their balancing decisions and I don’t want to break something that doesn’t need fixing.
So, if you are not trying to “choose your play style over mine”, then that means you are fine if my team and I run goats, or 3-2-1, or 2-3-1, or 1-2-3, etc?
Right?
I think we are all scared and nervous and don’t trust blizzard right now. that’s a understanding thing to say and honestly I’m sure most of us here in this thread agree that we just want the best for overwatch but with how blizzard has been through out the life of overwatch has made us all nervous and not trust them.
idc run goats if you want ill poop on you either way lol. (not crap talking you specifically more people in general who run goats).
But goats should have never been a thing brig was the only reason it became a thing and brig was only implemented to slow down flankers her entire kits destroys an entire play style it’s why it is so effective and annoying lol. it’s no longer countering one hero it’s countering an entire play style which is why people say they hate her and want her gone.
My apologies that I want to be able to play the characters that I want to play and my apologies that I want other people to be able to play the characters they want to play in QUICKPLAY.
Srsly it is quickplay, not competitive, the only drive people have to win in quickplay is for xp.
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see blizz everyone agree’s implement role que or what ever in competitive… but leave quick play, arcade, LFG all the same… so people can play what ever they want whenever they want no matter whats happening.
ADD FORCED 2-2-2 OR RIOT
(This is a complete sentence)