Please don’t nerf Widowmaker

Ah I see, but it’s perfectly fine for you to tell me to mind my own business when I point out your own toxic behavior towards other players? All I have to say on that to you is: “Git Gud”.

“Oppressed” isn’t the word I’d choose. “Exasperated” is a more accurate term. I grew tired of waiting for Blizzard to fix their broken character, despite years of complaints, so I chose an ultimatum: I’m not coming back until they fix snipers.

They’re clearly playing favorites, and Widowmaker is one of them. When Sombra started getting complaints about being “oppressive” and started to do well in OWL, she was instantly nerfed to the ground. But Widowmaker has been complained about for years on end and always gets away with nothing more than slap-on-the-wrist nerfs.

So, they clearly value their precious sniper more than they value my patronage. I’m just waiting here, in the vain hope that that will one day change. Picked up plenty of other games in the meantime, though.

Keep on - please, your building an airtight case against you as a personal attack at this point, in clear violation of TOS.

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Try again.

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Replying to your replies is not considered harassment “bro”. I am merely mimicking your own behavior - after pointing out your own toxic behavior to another player.

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I agree that nerfing sniper damage is wrong. The only logical way to nerf a sniper is to provide good shields and use suppression fire tactics to pin down the sniper preventing the sniper to have a clear shot.

I can see why they nerfed grapple. It may be that the 8 second cool down was so short that it made Winston’s cool downs help Widow escape too easily. Winston could never seem to catch her because of his own cool downs. She seemed to be always eluding Winston. Always a step ahead of him.

Winston looked silly chasing Widow. He could never catch her with her 8 second grapple.

Continue on - selecting one person to target an focus on the forums is violation of TOS. Please, continue on.

again, replying to your replies is not in violation of TOS. :slight_smile: If you stop replying I will. But you won’t, hence my original statement. You argue not to debate a point, but to prove you’re right - which is pretty toxic in of itself.

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You have an issue clearly - and its frankly now just a personal attack. Your past trying to make me a cause here.

Heavens forbid, I would never do anything like that. I am just taking an issue with you personally attacking other players and pointing it out.

We’ll see what the moderators think won’t we :wink:

I guess we will :). I think that most likely scenario, is that they will ban both of us because we are evidently not on the original topic.

You two seem to always want the last word.

Be careful. You may both get suspended for trolling too far away from the topic of the thread.

I remember the days of “Widowcraft” where 8 second CD worked well. I don’t duel anymore because of the terrible changes to hook. I also remember watching my friend play and 'Scope charging" wasn’t a thing.

Except it’s AOE. That negates basically all of it.

Widow has a bunch of counter play that Ashe’s dynamite doesn’t. That’s why it’s okay, that that can be outhealed, but Widow can’t.

The issue with both of you, is that you deny the existence of that counter play…

“ThE cOuNtErPlAy is to go WiDoWmAkEr”

Such good, very balance.

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Did you not read the list of possible counterplay that i made for Ashe’s dynamite? Shield it, block it, move, use an ability, use a counter ability.

What’s the counterplay for widow’s shots? Oh, its “hide”, “stand behind a barrier” and “hope you dont get shot”. No wonder you’re happy barriers got nerfed.

Ashe’s dynamite has far more interesting and dynamic counterplay than widow’s entire kit.

And the issue you’re having is you think counterplay exists between a character that 1 shots you from safety across the map and characters that cant 1 shot you back.

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And none of those apply to dynamite, because it’s an AOE ability.
One of the best uses for Ashe’s dynamite is to damage people behind shields and walls, or to finish off people because it’s a very consistent burst damage.

Because there is.
First of all, you can shoot back.

Of course they do - you can hide, stand behind a barrier and hope you dont get shot by ashe in the exact same way you hide from widow. What the hell are you talking about?

Please, tell me more about how junkrat can shoot widow back? How Ana can 1 shot widow when she’s busy hiding behind a corner for safety? How pharah can 1 shot widow instantly? How anyone who cant 1 shot can take her out when she can…just…move…!

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Dynamite!

With 2 shots.

I genuinely don’t understand what your point is. Widow isn’t that hard to kill.

Again, so what? it doesn’t change the fact that OWL wasn’t using pre-rework Hanzo. I suppose you can argue that his rework made pros interested in trying him out again, but that doesn’t change the fact that they used him in Zarya comps during Stage 4.

Out of the 90 hours of gameplay, that comprised Stage 4, the Zarya/Hanzo/Mercy comp comprised 4 hours of it, or 4%. That sounds unimpressive until you factor in that the MOST used composition of that era was used for only 8 hours (or 8%), and that even at only 4%, that made the Graviton Dragons comp the fifth-most used team composition during that time period.

Your “Hanzo wasn’t used” numbers are skewed by the fact that in Stage 4, Hanzo wasn’t used in many other comps besides that one. However, that Comp was also one of the most successful, as it also has the second-highest winrate of any comp except for Orisa/Junkrat, at 54%. Graviton Dragons also has the honor of being one of the few team comps during that period that was used by every single team, further demonstrating just how meta it was becoming.

No it, doesn’t. As I detailed above.

Again, Graviton Dragons was used substantially less during Stages 1-3 because Dive was just too strong. Brigitte’s introduction weakened Dive enough that Rein/Zarya became a viable pick.

Also, his pickrates are skewed by the fact that Hanzo wasn’t useful in many other comps besides Graviton Dragons. However, that doesn’t change just how widespread Graviton Dragons was in Stage 4.

Hilariously hypocritical.

The stage lasted from May 16th until June 17th. Which was just barely a month.

At least know what you’re talking about or do basic fact-checking before you decide to throw insults.

I never said it was a new thing at all. However, if that’s your argument, then Mercy had been able to damage boost those Ults since launch.

So basically, an “analysis” site who vaguely mentioned pros in the video. Got it.

You’re still splitting hairs. Moth Meta is still a variation on the Dive Meta that had existed since the days of Winston/D.Va/Lucio/Ana/Soldier/Tracer.

Again, you want to throw out statements about “semantics”, but that’s literally the entirety of your counterargument.

Again, predicated with the statement of “IIRC”, which was meant to indicate that I was working off of memory.

Again, if you can’t handle the idea that evidence can disappear or be unverifiable due to the nature of digital information, that’s on you.

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