Just my opinion here but when I play support it physically pains me when I see Doom, Ball, or Hog instantly locked. It’s not even that they always intentionally feed and then remain staggered the whole match. It comes down to how gameplay feels trying to keep them alive. Having Ball or Doom roll up on you at 1 white bar of health and then having to pump all the healing resources into them while a team fights breaking out immediately feels terribly disadvantaged. It’s not a good game play interaction and just highly frustrating. Oh and Hog barely counts as a tank IMO, feels like healing a 300hp+ dps.
It’s just feels like bad interactive game design that becomes glaringly obvious with 1 tank now.
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I feel exactly the same about metal-rank DVa players. They just stand there in the open until they are low health then fly into the enemy team over and over.
If the other team has a Zarya, our DVa will always ensure she is in range of the Zarya beam.
If they have a pharah she will never fly up to contest but instead keep standing there in the open.
If she survives her adventure she will come back to get healed, wait for a moment until she is 30% health then fly back into the enemy.
I hate healing DVas because that’s all you can do all game.
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I love ball and doom when im playing kiriko, so many fun teleport opportunities
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I’d still take the Dva noob over Doom/Ball, even if they don’t understand they’re supposed to be denying high ground, etc. At the very least their present for the team fight. Which is a monumental improvement to the always staggered doom/ball. Sure I’ve had GREAT balls and dooms that understood when to engage, health pack timing and pathing but it still isn’t quite as enjoyable of a game play with say a Winton, IMO.
When I find a ball/doom that knows proper engagements maybe I’ll find those fun teleport opportunities. So far they just hard feed in my bracket
Depends on the support pick and tank player so i half agree. I think ball is being slept on with dive heroes and kiriko. No cc ive had some god matches with him. Hog is still hog meaning you cant play him brainless, just like dva you get ones that feed and never stop, eating my ana nade value. Dieing easily when 1 second behind a wall resets your cooldowns to live. Or commit to crazy flanks and dives where the “trade” is actual negative value.
Like every comp and game though even with the limited roster i think support has the strongest “pick” value in terms of heroes to get that win.
Forgot doom, as an ana “main/abuser ;)” i think hes super weak going against me and i cant play him at all but for those that can ill see some get some amazing value with smaller resources from me. Once again its all on the pilot of that hero though.
I think the problem is that people don’t pick appropriate support with these heroes.
I love playing Lucio and Kiriko with these guys if they are super aggressive.
Add an aggressive Genji to the mix and it feels like we are deleting teams
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I play a fair amount of Kiriko but even then I’m not going to suicide teleport on to a feeding doom/ball and get stranded. It’d be one thing if they actually setup, gave a spot to teleport to for decent positioning, and then engage but that’s not whats happening. It’s just a headlong rush into the other team on cooldown. Rest of the team is playing more of a poke composition IMO the doom/ball are the odd person out. But hay maybe I’m just a garbo support because I’ve noticed that Ball/Doom/Hog are consistently 4v5 games
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If you dont like it, preach for a revert for doomfist and/or buffs for him and the other ones. they are barely tanks at this point.
Ball is pretty cool tho
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same with JQ, all four are just bloated, overglorified DPS, in a tank role. Hell I swap off of Mercy if one of those are picked as tank, because it’s just absolutely pointless to play her.
Its not the game- its the players. They hVe to know how to get back if they dont get their pick or get overwhelmed. But nope- they just expect a support player to be on their hip all the time.
Ball can be frustrating… but he can get in and out faster than anyone and has his sheild- and no crit spot in ball form.
Dooms just seem to think their super dps now- but its still on them to get back when they need to.
And hogs have so much life and healing- they just use their heals way to early and get caught without it when they truly need it.
In any of those cases- its not on you. If they cant win a fight without a healer on their hip- they shouldnt be picking the fight. And they (especially ball and doom and dva) should be able to get themselves out of trouble- they jus choose not to cuz they expect 100% heals 100% of the time in order to stay alive. Not considering the rest of the team may need heals behind them.
Dont trade the many for the 1.
Just cuz they get themselves into bad situations dosnt mean u gotta make the same bad decision and follow em.
If youre playing with those types- let em die. Only way theyre gonna learn. Theyre gonna blame you. Just tell em to watch the replay and see how out of position they really were. If they refuse or say they dont need the replay or whatever cocky response they come up with-- you know it was on them. So dont stress over it.
Dont support bad play. Support the good play and good teammates.
I do not mind Hog as he generally heals himself. Ball depends. The independent health pack types are nice for similar reasons. The crazy feed and respawn types are lame.
Doom? Yeah… It is an awful experience.
I normally try to make my support pick based on the tank. If they’re a good tank sometimes just that synergy is enough to roll people.
So why are they at 1 bar of health and why was your team not capitalizing on their tanking that got them to 1 bar of health? Sounds to me like they’re making engagement opportunities and your team is just sitting around afraid to engage.
The typical scenario is that they are not turning around to see if the team is even remotely in position. The end up at 1 bar of health because they’re going in 1v5 not even trying to pick someone out of position.
Can’t engage on opportunities in Narnia when we’re still running to the closet.