Playing Dva in to a Zarya throwing, what is throwing?

Is this throwing, or just knowing you want to play Dva and don’t care about wining? Is not caring about the out come throwing?

Is playing a weak hero throwing? or just a bad role of the dice?

“Bugger, they are playing Zarya, but I really wanted to play Dva, i’m just going to play Dva.”

Its like being a Knife to a Gun fight, but you really want to show of your new knife.

Not necessarily, it’s possible to stay out of her effective range while still being useful. And eating a grav is huge. But if you stand at the front then yes it is.

EDIT: fun fact just after writing this I played a game with a Dva who tried to face tank a Symmetra all game, and complained that I wasn’t healing her (I was) lol.

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d.va definitely isn’t a great pick against zarya but i don’t believe that’s throwing. i’m sure you’re trying your hardest.

d.va is definitely a worse sigma currently

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Not “throwing” in regards to actively trying to lose the game and derank (reportable).

Is throwing in regards to effectively understanding hero interactions (not reportable).

D.Va can play around a Zarya but I doubt any tank player below high Diamond/masters could correctly do this unless they’re smurfing.

Tracker her bubble cooldown, and if she is getting pocket healed. If her bubble is off, and the chaos is braking out, u can get her. dVa needs always an escape route, so make sure if things dont go your way, to be able to keep your mech and get out of the line of fire and get healed.

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The word “throwing” in low elos is the most subjective and most frequent word used. To people in those elos everything is seen as throwing especially if one of your temmates do not play the way you think one should play on that particular hero or role.

I’ve personally accused many ppl of feeding for example since I saw them going in alone, but after actually reviewing the replay codes, I saw that the enemy was down 2-3 and our Rein for example would push up and no one would push with him and I was like “again another Rein throwing”, but I failed at that time, during that game to look at the killfeed and to realize that we should have pushed in order to get the “clean up”, since 4 or 3 of the enemies were left and then in the replay I realized that the Rein was not throwing, but the rest of us were because we did not support him and we could have gotten a nice teamkill and/or stagger the opponents who were left alive and did not pull back. The way we played it we let them pull back without a scratch, let them regroup and out-ult us in the next fight.

That is only one example.

People throw the term throwing way too loosely these day, especially in low elo. “He picked Torb on attack, he is throwing”. “Our DPS are running Sym/Junk they are throwing”, etc.

A D.VA into a Zarya is not necessarily throwing per se, especially in low elo, where neither the D.Va nor the Zarya know how to properly play against the heroes they are strong against or heroes they are weak against, so it basically evens itself out.

I’ve seen Junks and Syms destroy enemy Pharas, and I’ve seen the opposite as well.

The term “throwing” means intentionally not playing the game. Sitting in spawn emoting, jumping off the map the whole game deliberately, deliberately spamming hello and not healing for example, or keeping DB on 1hp allies, etc. I agree that the term “throwing” gets a sort of an expansion in higher ranks, like not using Zen ult on purpose to counter Grav, etc. but even that is not reportable according to Blizzard definition. That is called soft throwing. Like everyone knows you are throwing, but you are actually not breaking any Blizzard rules. Not using ults when you should or when you are expected to use them is not throwing according to Blizzard.

That is why you have an insane amounts of “soft throwers” and they will rarely if ever be banned.

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I fixed it for you :kissing_heart:

Hahaha, just went through my post again and did some edits and edited that one as well. :smiley: Thank you tho :wink:

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Wasn’t ripping on you, I’m just tough for certain things :innocent:

Thank you for not taking it personal.

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You can play any hero to masters if you’re good with them. Therefore playing any hero below masters is never throwing.

Now, if this DVa is charging in headfirst at Zarya and getting instapicked all match…that’s another story, and doesn’t have much to do with hero selection.

I play Winston into Reaper all the time and succeed at stomping them (which leads to them trashing their reaper in all chat). But it’s just because I know where he’s at all times and avoid him. If I were to just jump him and die right away every time…

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But that still would not be throwing per se. Would only mean that for example you do not know how to play Tank or do not know how to play Winston against a Reaper. It might be some sort of like soft throwing, if for example you would be the first one to always die, especially to him, but even that is not throwing according to Blizzard. Playing poorly, not switching, not knowing how to play against your counters, not knowing how to outsmart your counters or enemy in general is not throwing. It is lack of gamesense and game knowledge.

Even if you want to report someone for throwing, when you click on the report button, under gameplay sabotage it clearly says “playing poorly is not a reason for report”. I understand that it will make your team mad and in return might make them actually throw in the literal sense, like jumping off a cliff on purpose, but one getting tilted over a teammates gameplay is actually not throwing.

I do not mean to defend those people who do not know how to play into their counters, are lacking gamesense and whatnot, it angers me too, but it is really not throwing. It is an immediate avoid for sure, but not an example of report for gameplay sabotage.

I now only report people who are like literally afk, who say in chat that they are throwing and deliberately not playing, who run into the enemy without shooting, spamming hello and emotes, who jump off maps on purpose, etc.

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I don’t disagree. I was more pointing out ‘running x into y’ is rarely the actual underlying problem. I think you’re dead on with your assesment.

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Depends on what you define as throwing. Is it suboptimal? Yes. Does yeatle clap cheeks playing diva into zarya? Also yes

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Zarya doesn’t hard counter DVa tho. Blame your DPS for not shutting down Zarya cause no tank is doing it alone.

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If your in QP, you do you, play who you want when you want

But if you are in Comp and you dont care about winning or losing and know you are playing a weak hero against the counter just because you want to play that hero, then it might be throwing

If you are in comp then you need to care about winning which means playing what the team needs not what you want to play, that is for casual play in QP

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This is agree with and I’m 100% guilty of it myself. The main reason being that comp games play is much better than QP. I like that you get a turn on attack and a turn on defense. this is really needed in QP. i feel its forcing a lot of casuals that what to play the hero they want, into comp for the better game type.

I report people who play a hero so badly in comp that it would be better if they left. Like the good old ball defence in gold where the ball player rolls around getting shot never even trying to coordinate with the team or the other tank. Like a Hanamura or Volskaya defense. Keep rolling, keep dying with noone to help you because ball is rollign away where noone can follow. It’s throwing by feeding. Done the same to a face tanking D.va that was more out of mech than in.

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Not “throwing” but good luck trying to not get avoided playing Dva right now

Every other off tank against Zarya its basically throwing.

Zarya deals more DPS at max charge and her ulti its the best one in the entire game.

Ehh… You’ve never seen a good Gravitic Flux/high noon (or Bob).

Just as good as grav/dragon

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