'Pick this, do this and that and run behind walls!"

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This is such a horrible hero design, where heroes have super broken abilities, and the only thing you can do is to be master or grandmaster and know how to deal with that. 85% of players are below diamond, and if you are designing heroes with abilities that require “pick this, do this and do that” is just a horrible design.

For example:

Pharah and mercy require soo much concentration from lower rank players to shut them down, while the only thing pharah and mercy need to do is press left and right click and exist. It’s a horrible design and another example of, “just pick ana and shoot her and sleep mercy and nade her while she is in her flight.” You know how many consecutive shots you need to land on pharah with ana to kill her? 7! 7 shots without missing, and if you miss even 1, she is fully healed now, and even if you kill, she just gets insta rez. And remind me please, how many percent of players can land 7 shots in a row on a pocketed pharah (that will definitely react to your second shot and come kill you)? 10% and less.

It’s fine that one ability counters the other one, but countering someone’s existing by forcing a switch on yourself and begging your team to switch too or at least concentrate, creates so much unnecessary toxicity.

Ram ult is strong, 'JUST PICK ANA AND SLEEP HIM"

Ana’s nade is wiping 3-4 people at once, 'just go behind walls!!"

Hanzo is spamming one angle and getting 2 kills, 'JUST PICK REAPER AND GO BEHIND WALLS"

Widows are holding the game hostage, ‘’JUST TAKE 250 HP HERO LIKE REAPER AND GO BEHIND WALLS” （it’s funny how going behind walls is the best solution to all problems for these people, and somehow nobody does that. I guess we are just bad players and it’s all our fault).

Zen is solo melting the tank, "JUST TAKE 1 DIVE TANK AND 1 DIVE DPS AND ONE SUPPORT THAT CAN SUPPORT THE DIVE, THEN ENGAGE TOGETHER WHILE TANK EATS THE MOST DAMAGE AND THE DPS FINISHES THE BLOW WHILE KIRIKO NEEDS TO TELEPORT AND SUPPORT THE ENTIRE PROCESS AND MAKE SURE TO SUZU ANA’S NADE ON THE TANK SO THE TANK DOESNT GET MELTED. AND DONT FORGET YALL BRONZE. GL EXPLAINING THIS TO ALL YOUR TEAMMATES AND EXECUTING IT! SUCH AN EZ SOLUTION!

If you are designing a hero with a super powerful ability that requires you or the entire team to “pick this and do this and do that,” you are advocating for boring gameplay, like tanks have now when they cannot play whatever they want, and it’s always the enemy who chooses your “best pick.”

P.S people completely misunderstood what this thread is about and started to teach me how to play this game…

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Welcome to OW, I guess.

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Why would you walk through the angle that a hanzo is spamming? you’re just asking to be domed my friend

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Everyone’s going to respond to this with “get good.” Everything here is just a skill issue, and I’m not trying to be malicious, but that’s just what this is.

Also, why would anyone ever shoot the Pharah before Mercy? If you take out Mercy first, it’s only 3 shots on Ana, plus now Pharah can’t be rezzed, so that’s not so bad.

Don’t get me wrong, though; that duo is extremely oppressive, even in GM and top 500. It’s probably the most repetitive interaction in the game, outside of maybe Widow and Mercy.

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That was not the point I was making, but ok.

I know, that’s why I made this post. Because they are all good and we are all bad and just need to pick this and do that and this and ask your team to do this and that and pick that.

This topic is not about how to solve these issues.

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There are plenty of simpler games out there you can play if it’s too much for you.

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And that hero has no falloff btw :sweat_smile:

Or just LoS you for second to get full hp and then keep spamming your spot denying the space.

Well, my friend, OW is a game about beating one bs with another bs. It is what it is. Some abilities may in need of tuning but that won’t change much still.

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There are many other posts where you can leave troll replies if it’s too much for you.

Like I said, horrible design. I don’t know why it is so hard for people here to admit that lol.

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You’re the one complaining about a team synergy game. Go play COD or something if you don’t want to put the effort into learning the lineup here.

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You misunderstood everything

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I understand just fine.

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…no. 3, 4 at most. Unless you’re slow with it.

If someone like me, who doesn’t like playing snipers, can easily kill a Pharah as Ana, you can too. It should not take you 7 shots.

He’s a massive target that’s harder to miss than hit.

Playing cover is an integral part of the game. And you can also play Kiriko.

Why is Hanzo getting kills consistently spamming?

Widow isn’t overpowered below GM.

Discord is op, but if you lose a 1v1 to a Zen you deserve to lose.

The devs are smart enough not to balance around the walking skill issues that are metal rank players. Balancing for y’all breaks the game for anyone good.

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This is not what this thread is about.

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Then what IS it about? Do enlighten me.

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The post is about how some abilities or heroes require so much dedication, which is very hard to achieve with low ranks and randoms on the internet, while you are just sitting there and teaching me how to counter certain abilities…

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No, it’s not. You’re complaining about how “hard” it is to counter easy things. A list of complaints about things you honestly should not be complaining about is not ANYTHING about dedication.

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You either still don’t get it, or you refuse to get it for sake of not admitting how wrong you are. Classical “I will keep talking cuz I don’t want to admit that I was wrong.”

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Read your post again. You’re complaining about you not being able to perform simple counterplay.

Ever thought about how it takes a great deal of skill to play anything that needs to be countered? Why should you be able to shut them down with no skill required like you so obviously want to?

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You clearly understood that you misunderstood, but you refuse to admit because you have massive ego problems. Or you are an idiot who can’t comprehend a simple paragraph. There’s no third option left.

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Buddy you need to reword your post if you sincerely want it to be about dedication. Call me an idiot all you want, but at least I can write.

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