If you’re banning heros out of spite because you falsely believe them to be op. Then you shouldn’t have bans.
If such a system comes in, it should only be for the highest of ranks. And even then, it’ll probably just cause some people to stop playing.
Sure - largely the people who main / 1 trick hated heroes who wound be banned a lot.
On the other hand - it’s cause some players to START playing again and come back, because they wouldn’t have to play against those hated heroes.
Which would be terrible. So would need rethinking.
Highly doubt ow can make people play by sometimes banning a hero.
It has its core player base, that numbers barely moved in 2 years.
How does Ana not counter Rein but counter Winston? Is Winston in that list because you play him and Rein isn’t because you don’t?
The biggest mistake of those who ask for hero bans is not realizing that the bans won’t be used as they think will be.
That’s ok, we can cry for 1 ban per player instead of 1 per team. That way every single person can have so much fun
Because one of those is an Ultimate and the other is available every 13 seconds.
I’m not even for hero bans but this argument is a reach.
Junkerqueen applies bleed on many of her skills. Are you implying I think they added Kiriko specifically for the anti healing aspect of JQ’s ult? Its more rational to think “We have a tank that can run up and debuff you, we ought to have a way to control that”.
Its even more rational to think “we have a ton of debuffs in this game, people are complaining about debuffs, lets add a hero to cleanse debuffs!” which would mean Kiriko wasn’t invented for any hero specifically.
People here will stop thinking about the full effects of ideas if they believe they can get what they want. There’s small things no one thinks about, like the fact that Ball can’t be buffed/he has to be kept weak because Stuns were greatly walked back, and if he was any stronger, the game would be annoying to play.
No, they think Ana doesn’t counter Rein because, right now in this thread, I mentioned being a Rein main and I’m saying I think Ana serves an important role in this game by how she counters tanks. They had to readjust their opinions to counter me specifically; I don’t think anyone of them have thought this out more than that.
No, you outright said
How are you not refusing to play Reinhardt when you straight up said “I will not play” when I suggested “You should play”?
I am taking the sentence where you said “I am refusing to play” to mean “you are refusing to play”. You can tunnel vision on me saying “you’re refusing to play Rein into Ana specifically”, but that’s just pedantry. Yes, you are refusing to play anyone into anyone because you’re refusing to play the game entirely.
Honestly, I am deranged though for assuming I’d get an argument in good faith from you guys. Honestly.
But that’s your argument too! You already said
How is this sentence not the same thing as “You can just counter Hog and Mauga”? I said this to you before, how can you point at the speck you claim to see in my eye while ignoring the log in yours?
Everything you said, everything you mentioned in this post, can be turned back around to you in favor of Ana. Does that mean nothing to you? Between the two of us, who looks biased?
No, that’s not what I think. I just Ana will get nerfed or banned, and then people will move on to complaining about the next thing because Ana’s not the real issue. Its mechanics people feel get in the way. We’ve seen this with shields, stuns, complaints about widow, complaints about Mercy, and in a lot of these cases nerfs were handed out and mechanics were deleted just for people to complain about some next thing.
If Ana was nerfed and people were like “Wow, Overwatch is much better!” you won’t see a single post of mine mentioning Ana. The problem is she’ll get nerfed, and then the next guy will over perform, and you’ll have you’ll have posters going “actually this character was always holding back Overwatch and they should be gutted!” like clockwork.
My prediction: Ana gets nerfed (or banned or whatever), Hog specifically overperforms, the same people make the same complaints. Watch.
Agree. I love his kit but he’s basically a meme pick against all non-tank (except ult)
For the similar reason I’m also not a fan of Jeff/Storm. Frustrating ult but meh on pretty much everything else
The Ana favoritism is so annoying to me. Heck remember when they were moving over to ow2 and planned to remove cc from most of the cast besides tanks, but they HAD to keep Anas sleep because its just so “iconic”. Like no other reason just, its cool and we like it so she gets to keep this super strong cc ability.
They were releasing stats from the ow2 beta tests and Anas were insane, but they said thats fine and how they usually are so its not a balance problem. Which is just stupid.
The only bias she doesnt get is from the design team making a new Ana skin every update, that award goes to kiriko.
Banning heroes is an unfun mechanic in a video game that should be fun. Instead, they should balance the heroes that nobody likes so it’s not an instant pick if hero bans were to happen.
A-ha, sure. You just want them banned, cause you don’t feel like switching to counter or anything. Why should you learn more than one hero when you can have your counters didappear?
No, it’s because the ban system has reason to exist in a game where you can switch to a counter at any moment.
Yeah, playing on circuit / havana on the off chance nobody abuses widow is genuinely fun. Who would have thunk?
That hero is so awful for the game I would likely vote to ban her every time on any sniper map
Yeha. I actually had a match on Circuit and Havana in the same day that did not have a Widow on either side. It was actually fun!!!
We lost on Circuit but won on Havana. Circuit was still fun. It’s actually a good map if Widow isn’t there.
The moment she is, it becomes a slog. I can’t ignore Widowmaker anymore. She fundamentally ruins the game.
The reason why Widow and Ana are being banned, would mean there is something seriously wrong.
Also, it is because the matchmaker that you have a bad time against them.
That’s only if you can trust the community. From my perspective, the problem is “they’re annoying”. And then when they’re banned, people will move on to the next “annoying” characters.
Characters like Mercy, Bap, Kiriko, Zenyatta (most of the supports, really), shield tanks, Doomfist and the like are all on the chopping block too.
At its heart, the complaints are the stomping about people who do not want to be inconvenienced. They’re not sincere critiques made to improve the game and they never have been. There’s a reason things get worse when blizzard capitulates.
Kind of? LIke yeah most of the time they would ban powerful heroes, but there will also be outliers where they’ll ban heroes strictly on whether they’re annoying even if they are not actually strong.
you gave the reason why bans are stupid, people will only ban the same characters, i personally will ban forever kiriko, her stupid inmortality is anti fun
like i said on another thread, i think people are underestimating which heroes would be banned.
would be interesting if the bans are game wide instead of just high rankings. i think they woudl do it only for the highest rankings like masters+ and those players know each other up there so they would be banning based on player and not hero probably.
like if necros for sure genji
if the realkenzo then for sure widow
like i said it would depend. now gamewide like i said would be interesting, which hero would be banned the most. my guess is ana, sombra, widow, and whoever is the strongest tanks for low elo.
maybe not even those heroes above in low/mid rankings and people will start banning fotm heroes. supposed strongest heroes but then they will ban the wrong heroes since it doesnt matter which heroes in lower rankings
I think Mercy would be banned a lot so that people wouldn’t have to deal with her rez and bouncing. The fact that she’s a weak support is irrelevant to most; if they’re annoying, they’re banned.