It’s been 6 months. It’s been 6 months and she has neither a popularity, win, or pick rate increase - in fact, her win AND pick rate lowered from 2.0.
People are still struggling with Symmetra. Then you have people who can make her current iteration work, but the work and effort you put in is double that of other heroes who can do it easier AND with less guff from your team - it’s tiring (sometimes painful if you have fine motor problems), thankless work with none of the creative and intriguing spark of the former iterations; people play her because we love her as a character still, we’ve already spent hours and experience and perhaps even golden gun points on her so they need to count for something, and tbh we would rather look good than play a hero less apeeling like Winston.
If a whole community either can’t figure a rework out, refuse to pick up the reworked hero, or have become disenchanted enough to play less (not to mention how removing a hero’s accessibility in the rework literally puts a time cap on how much a disabled player can play without physical pain and other effects that hurt their prime gameplay) something went wrong with the rework and there needs to be greater and more prompt action to rectify the situation.
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Yeah, about 6 months ago is when Blizz started having this “we know better then you” attitude while never being right on balancing. It would be funny if it was not so aggravating and sad
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Geoff: Don’t worry just give it another 6 months. She has hidden potential. But has yet to be unlocked cause no one found the mystical scroll to unlock it.
Contact the Furious Five to begin your adventure today.
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Tbf, she kinda found her place in BOSSAZ
Being a tertiary role in ONE rather specific comp is not finding her place.
People gave old Sym crap but classic Sym could actually work in a multitude of scenarios…it’s just people who didn’t play Symmetra immediately wrote her off as a troll pick and refused to work with her. Now new Sym is nowhere near as flexible and formidable and people still refuse to work with her.
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Are you trying to get the auto aim back? Just play mercy. Heal instead.
I find symm to be much more useable on my team now and dont cringe as much when someone locks into her.
I still cringe, just less.
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I cringe all the time when someone dies to a close range hero especially with little defenses.
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Isn’t her winrate still around 56-57%?
how is she in a bad spot.
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Simple. If you don’t fail on first defense and still win the match on offense. It still counts as a win. That’s been talked about during the first season when she was at 75% win rate % just for one defense point.
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I don’t understand how that makes a difference now, people are playing her for more than just first point defense on 2cp maps.
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Kind of reminds me of Jeff’s most latest attack on his fan base on that live stream he joined with Fran and the other person I forget. I only happens to catch it for the twitch drop reward thing and man was it insulting.
Basically he waved away all players concerns over the latest PTR changes as 'uniformed, to try it out first and see what happens". Which sure is fine but we have been here before. The PTR is almost always a joke of balance, we point it out and then blizzard ignores the feedback for months.
I mean wow their internal testing must be done by people who have never played OW and never leave the practice range.
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Playing her more perhaps, playing effectively not so much. I think the new Sym is okay, her kit is okay at a lot of things. It doesn’t really excel at anything though. Her turrets are easily destroyed and do tickle dmg unless you group up all 3. Which again get destroyed easily and have a 10 second CD each to replace.
Her beam weapon got a slight buff recently in tick rate dmg but still a fairly dangerous weapon for a 200hp hero to use at close range. Her Alt fire is perhaps her best weapon but it lacks reliable percision to eliminate enemies. Instead it’s a spam and “get lucky” weapon.
Then her Ult, while nice isn’t exactly a game changer in 99% of the situations you use it in. Sym puts up a decent amount of dmg and effort. But it’s all spread out and you really need your team to pick up the slack to get any actual eliminations.
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pick rate is low, win rate is high, does this not contradict what you’re saying?
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They failed to provide her with a well-defined niche in the rework, so naturally people will continue to struggle with her. She basically continues to fill this very nebulous niche of “make up for weaknesses in your team comp,” (such as with BOS, where her teleporter helps remedy the poor mobility on Bastion and Orisa), which in and of itself is a problem because, provided you find appropriate scenarios in which to use her, you’re basically requiring that your team run a comp with a very obvious and exploitable weakness for her to be worth using over some other hero.
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I feel like their internal testing is very biased and inaccurate.
“You can use tp to counter grav combos!”
- Probably ordered Zarya’s team to not fire at will while Sym sets up -
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Not really, I mean for one thing it usually means the few people who pick the hero are really dedicated to them and know how to use them. Plus the less the are picked the less likely the enemy team knows how to counter them effectively.
The more idiots who pick a hero that they think is cool the more likely they are to drag the win rate down. But mainly it’s because those stats are fairly hard to get the full picture on.
Win rate just means some one played that hero and won the match. It doesn’t mean they played them the whole match or even most of it. They could easily pick them for first point, lose the point and swap to something else to win. Or vice versa, play Sym on the final spawn as a last desperate hold.
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When trouble starts players will switch to something more effective. Don’t know why you’re trying to limelight this.
Some do play her and then swap off. If they win the match it’s contributed.
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Or how about how they feel good and are hyped about almost every change ever? No matter how broken? My ultimate favorite though was the Mercy Rework and how to this day they still consider it a success.
Never mind the PTR release of Mercy was so broken her Pistol had the highest dps in the game. But oh those internal testing never noticed… man how bad of a shot were those people? It’s a fast firing projectile weapon with no curve or dmg fall off. You’d think a dmg boost and infinite ammo would trigger a few warning bells.
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How does this say she’s in a bad spot though? Sounds like a grand time if nobody knows how to counter.
…What?
Yes?
so what if the map isn’t a 2cp then, as that seems to be the focus?
in response to someone saying sym players swapped after losing a 2cp point on defense, if you think you’re not being effective that’s not necessarily the hero at fault for you needing to swap.
so this happens every time?
Wouldn’t other heroes have an inflated winrate too then?
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They’ve had it for years. They had it when they first shut down legacy servers for WOW and their word for word response was “we know what you want and that’s not what you want”
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