I get it, people insta locking 5 dps sucks, but it’s not every game. But the talk here is, do you really think role queue will work? Don;t even bring in any other games, cause those games have so many other characters to select from, people wouldn’t play overwatch if the heroes were boring, and which class is the most fun? Bingo, DPS. And adding a role queue will do what exactly to the game? Make it more balanced? I mean potentially yes, and then what? Longer queues? That’s the issue I have.
If you add role queue, queue times will be abysmal since majority of the player base will wanna be DPS. The reason I bring up queue times is because if the times increase, don’t you think the game would really be dead? It would die faster than Trump can say something stupid. You guys always say how you love the game and all “BUT” this ruins it for you. If you really love the game, you would be against role queue because it will literally kill this game in a heartbeat.
I think people just like the idea of 2/2/2 every game but the queue times would be awful.
80% (just guessing) of the player base is DPS mains. Very few “support mains” are people who WANT to be playing support. They’re just the least stubborn or those who realize their mechanics aren’t good enough for DPS. So with role queue people all pick DPS and boom, 80% queue for a role you only need 33% of. It might be nice if they added it as an arcade mode to test though.
Dps mains would ruined queue times because they only pick dps.
People picking dps every game is why people want 2/2/2 at all. These people don’t care about the community, they only care about their own fun. Are they ever altruistic people? Do they make sure to play tank and healer every few rounds so someone else gets to play the “fun” role?
I’ll have to hard disagree with your statement. Personally I don’t want role queue because I feel there are times more healers and tanks are viable counters. But if Role queue would turn dps away from the game, I see that as nothing but a win for overwatch.
Fact is, if you only play dps characters and no SHIELD TANKS or healers, then you are cancer and only contribute towards the problems in overwatch.
If dps mains quit because of long queue times, they’d be doing the game a huge favor. With them gone it will allow the game to flourish as intended, as a game meant for team work and communication. A game made to SHARE what’s fun, a game made for community.
I don’t want role queue but maybe the game needs to have something to purge it’s cancer.
If you don’t think healers and tanks are fun, and you don’t work as a team and you don’t switch characters then this game and this community needs your selfishness gone so it can heal itself.
If more teams were working together and trying to win instead of focused on making sure they only played DPS ever there would be no need for talk of 2/2/2 or role queue. But it’s evident many people do not work this way.
If they’re not losing healers and tanks in droves with the game in it’s present state I will be very surprised. I love OW when it is played properly but I’m on the fence myself about whether or not to bother putting more hours into it unless Blizzard comes out and shows the community they give a crap.
And to anyone reading this, I’m not whining about it being impossible to climb. For me it’s impossible to put in enough hours to climb, because the experience of fighting with team after team isn’t enjoyable.
It’ll never work on account of the nightmare that is being stuck with D.Va and Hog as the two tanks and teammates calling that good. Those two need to be removed from the tank role if role queue is to be implemented, otherwise we’ll be stuck with a situation akin to WoW where feral druids can queue as tanks. I’ll take 4/5 dps over suffering those two (and the typical self-righteousness they reek of) on my team anyday.
Why is this always the rebuttal? with the present situation you act like this 5 DPS comp is magically going to be better when the truth is they both suck. But the potential to get an awful team is magnified many times over with no role queue.
In the present situation people go on and on about how if you’re good enough you’ll climb despite all the horrible games. Your rebuttle is “it won’t fix everything”
Speed limits do not stop everyone from speeding but we still have them. You’ll find that when implementing systems which deal with very large numbers of people that very few of them fix everything.
There are people like myself who have played Tank/Healer class for as long as there have been “role playing” games. We like the challenge of keeping the team alive and safe. There are many of us, unfortunately, it may not be as many as there are DPS junkies…
I disagree that those should be not included as tanks while others remain. But I do agree that role queue doesn’t solve the problem of having team comps that make no sense. And it’s not just the tank slots. “Hmm, we have Genji and Tracer while the enemy has Brig, McCree, Winston. It’s a good thing they can’t play any other DPS heroes while two other teammates can but aren’t allowed to switch.”
So you can win/clutch out any game in soloQ’s present condition (of which you could easily end up in the situation you purposed, or WORSE). But role queue putting you with a Genji/Tracer if the other team has Brig/Cree and Winston is a good reason to look down on role queue?
In this situation you could easily win if your Tracer/Genji aren’t playing like clowns. Winston/Brig/Cree; Cree does not hard counter genji by any means and tracer has tons of counter play with Brig and pretty much deletes Winston (what’s the problem here?)
Give me a good tank comp and a competent off healer and I feel a lot better about my group’s odds (and by evidence of the immense tilt in most of my games other people feel this way as well). I can live with the occasional sub optimal pairing.
Players are always searching for an “SR Fairy.” It doesn’t exist. Players cried for an LFG system, but when we got one and it didn’t magically pull them out of their rank, they stopped using it and started bashing it. Now the “SR fairy” is role queue and guilds.
If we get it, the results will be the same. Players will use it for a while and when it doesn’t pull them out of their rank, they will stop using it and start bashing it.
LFG, role queue, and guilds are tools for better matches, they are not an SR Fairy that will pull them out of their rank.
I have been plat and below my entire OW career. If I deserved to be a higher rank, I would rank up. It is a grind though, there is no system that will magically pull me out of my rank.
If you are in elo hell and think you belong in the big leagues, watch some OWL. If you still think you’re that good and you’re not at that rank because of your team, then you are delusional.
Having team mates not willing to switch is different to them not being able to switch.
Yes, you could totally win in my example. But what if it really, really wasn’t working?
I’m just saying that role queue doesn’t solve enough problems reliably to make it worth losing some of the things which make Overwatch awesome. Sure, if we had role queue then some of the time you will get a team where everyone can play the hero they want. We already have that.
So you see this a lot with the present situation but it’s a problem for role queue?
So the present situation is someone often has to fill main tank, if you got 2 off tanks with role queue how is that any different?
These problems people keep coming up with it’s always “well what if you get the wrong heroes and people don’t know how to play the ones you need”
This is quite literally the problem everyone is hollering about right now, the current game rarely puts you with people that have experience with tanks and supports and your rebuttle is “you might not get a main tank, or the perfect heroes”
this pretty much sums it up, it feels like your own teammates are as much of an obstacle to success as the enemy team is, just in entirely different ways.
And it’s getting more and more frequent. It’s hard to put in more than 3 games in a row without getting pissed off, win or lose.
In role queue the DPS heroes can switch to any DPS they want, this only limits your tanks and healers from doing so. Perhaps you are playing different matches than I am, but when the main tank in my match swaps the whole team tilts completely off the world.
You would ask people to swap (which is what you do now) and they would ignore you or comply.
Role queue CUTS DOWN on the number of problems. Again no solution is going to guarantee you perfect teams everytime, the game is too complex for that. But all these problems you are bringing up exist in the present system, so they’re not really arguments.
You probably have speed limits on the roads where you live, some people ignore them and do whatever they want, right? So speed limits do not solve all the problems which are on the roads…but they LIMIT them so it’s not a ridiculous crash fest everywhere you go. Do you think we should do away with speed limits because they don’t solve all the problems?