PC vs console debate

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after reading this thread and all of its replies so far: The Unnecessary Discrimination Towards Console Players - #45 by Fail4Me-1179

its concluded that a top 500 console player can easily adapt to the mechanics of a PC due to higher fps…?

if that’s the case then i don’t see why you would discredit a master/gm player on console if they can actually be better on pc with the right setup

i don’t see how pc is the prestigious system when it’s controls are way easier and also way easier to abuse (with aim bot, etc)

this still has everything to do with ow since apparently “we are playing a different game” purely based on on the system one puts hours on

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That’s ironic, usually I hear a T500 console is the same as a PC diamond

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that’s not what some of the people in the thread said. one person insisted that the change in frame rate (?) improved their gameplay

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Pff yeah, PC master racers think that everyone on console is a bronze player.

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It just depends on the person. Some top console players would not translate well. Others would. It is a mixed bag. I feel it is unhealthy to make generalizations either way. A lot of people seem to believe you NEED to be GM on PC to understand the game and no offense intended to them, maybe YOU did. I am a bit more intelligent than that. I do not literally need to be at the rank to discuss balance issues there. Rofl.

And to that end, I have a vague idea that I would not be that much higher on PC. As a hitscan, the mouse would be a huge upgrade. But the keyboard would hold me back and make my movement look like bronze. So I assume I would be relatively the same rank. If I was ever as good at keyboard as I am on stick, well, it would be easy to be at least low master.

Another issue a lot of people do not seem to understand is the mechanical barrier is not that wide. Plats are just diamonds with worse communication, for instance. I do not want to speak on ranks I have never been to, but based on my observations, masters are GM without the high level coordination. It is not as though GM are mechanical gods and masters players can barely manage their character, after all.

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I have something for this statement:

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I converted from PS4 to a nicer PC with 1080 and 165hz and yes refresh rate absolutely made a difference. I still do my placements on PS4 every season, but the game just does feel much different between the platforms. Positioning is a consistency, but common heroes to see are different. Then there’s Pharah, too.

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It’s true in both regards T500 PC players are prob Gold at best on console. (prob console players fall around there too)

The issue isn’t that either system requires more skill or whatever. It’s quite literally that both require vastly different hand movements to control your character. Anyone trying switching to a different method of controlling your character will obviously struggle until the learn the new muscle memory mapping.

The difference in speed in from Console to Computer is noticeable but it’s not like its some crazy unfathomable difference. It’s more of “Oh this is quicker” and you adjust.

PC Master race fanatics seems to lack common sense in this regard. Your equipment is better, not your skill.

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Actually a great point it does depend on the person and you don’t need to be a high rank to understand the game I think Jayne mentioned recently that there is a tier 3 coach for an overwatch team that is ranked in gold

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I’m not too sure about this. As you start to rank up, from diamond at least. It’s not about your mechanical skill. It’s way more about how you see the game and react to situations.

And so this will completely translate if someone was to switch platforms. They would just have to get use to the controls.

There would be some very slight diffences, console players don’t have to react quite as quickly as the aiming it slower. But we are talking fractions of a second. But all in all, its pretty similar of how hero’s and the game plays out. There can very certainly be different metas, but the action between hero’s and what actions you would do in situations are the same.

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It is not, whether one is harder or easier than the other, the top of the top at both systems are impressive and hard to obtain in their own right. The reason the “Console top 500 = gold PC” what ever statement was made, is cause FPS games are made for M/KB, they are way more suited for it and is indeed the superior system for it, just like platformers were made for joysticks omnidirectional movement.

Consoles need aim assists in its base form to even function right and play good for the vast majority of players, that is a huge flaw in and of itself.

If you ever were to pit a top 500 fps player vs a top 500 fps console player, the difference in precision, flick timings and reaction times should be evident, even so beyond the limitations of the systems.

Even so, we have seen very few cases of people going from a high rank on console to a higher rank on PC. The Genji one trick “Arikadou” i think and the Lucio one trick.

Both of these heroes are in no way severely capped by their aiming capabilities, so the most notories things to learn, gameplay, maps, game knowledge etc, was already there from console and transfer right over to pc. All they needed was to get familiar with and comfortable with the aiming style. Even so they needed some +200 competetive games and around a + 100 levels of PC gaming to begin rising to higher ranks on PC, which is quite a bit.

As another reference of how this works. I have reached top 500 multiple times before, i have played at high scrim levels. I have a 15 year background in CS and other FPS games and so on. My friend, who to this day still plays and scrims at a higher level than i did, is 4.4-4.6k rated consistently throughout many seasons, have no chance at beating me on Widow, Mccree, Ashe, Soldier. Even though i have put no hours into the game, the last couple of months i would shred his a** (And have done so before) in a 1v1 scenario, where raw aiming means a lot. This is cause his first FPS was Overwatch, while mine was CS, way back, i have far more experience and practice using the mouse, so i my skills transfers over to other games, rather instinctively.

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There are still fundamental differences in the meta. The most infamous example being Pharah. Someone else just mentioned the speed of the game as well. I, for instance, do better in slower environments. I struggle in diamond because the pace picks up there drastically even on console. If you were the type of player with fast reactions and whatever, you might thrive more easily in the PC environment.

As I said, it depends on the person. If you are arguing that most console players would probably not do as well, I am not even necessarily disagreeing. I just feel the reasoning is a bit off. Communication skills are independent to platform.

It is just a different game, plain and simple. So while console players would more likely place lower, I do not doubt they would eventually climb back to their rank and perhaps higher. It is all about unlearning certain aspects and evolving.

Same with PC to console. The only difference between the players is going to be their attitude and platform of choice. And someone converting one way or the other is addressing that difference by switching. No?

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If you are top500 on console you probably have gamesense and everything learned and improved.
You swap to pc, get familiar with the controlls and settings, yeah aiming like hitscan will be new trained.

Heck he can connect his controller to the pc an just get value out of fps, low latency etc.

The only thing changes is the aiming part.
So yes, if its a top500 widow with 0 gamesense etc, he had to learn it with the mouse and maybe drop. But gamesense etc takes a big part i believe

Pc is just as a platform more open and you can pump in more power.

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There really isn’t a skill gap.

Game sense, positioning, mechanics. They aren’t just gone because you switched control scheme.

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Is it allowed to play with mouse and keyboard on a Xbox / PS4?

If so, then these players are certainly somehow comparable. Nevertheless, the player base for the computer is much larger and it should be easier to reach a higher rank on the consoles.

If it’s against the rules to play with mouse and keyboard, it’s like comparing a racing car to an airplane.

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tell that to the people who think console players are less than PC players

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Well… Jayne did it for me.

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People who think “Pc master race” is anything but a meme are probably too young to be out of high school.

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If the PC master race won’t listen to the actual console players, maybe they’ll listen to Jayne:

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Yeah everyone on pc just boots up their aimbot and hits GM.

Anyways, controller is easier for some people, and m&kb for others. While pc is more fluid, you will always run into people with a better pc than you- something console players don’t worry about.

Neither is better- it’s just different.

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