"OW2 won't have hard counters"

…Except we’re releasing a hero who is LITERALLY a hard counter for any flying heroes.

Blizzard, if you’re going to say, “Putting heroes in the BP is okay because we’re redesigning the game to not have hard counters,” you PROBABLY shouldn’t make your first release hero a blatant, obvious hard counter. Particularly since the tank role, in general has literally no hitscan ranged options for dealing with fliers, and the game itself has no other grounding mechanics to speak of.

Sick of cooperate double speak. When you buy the battle pass, you buy a tactical advantage that everyone else has to do a fairly ludicrous grind for. Call it what it is.

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Does D.va just not exist to you?

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Eh, I’ve always felt the whole “D.Va counters Pharah” matchup was more of a “For want of any better (Tank) options.” thing.

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You can say that every CC is a counter to specific heroes. They also never stated that they want to go away from counters. They just want to remove HARD counters.

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You don’t cackle as you bully Pharahs with your own rockets?

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Calm down and just accept that the game sucks now lol.

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…how do they hard-counter flying heroes exactly…? :thinking:

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What, Blizzard can’t keep their lies straight? Yes sounds just about right with what Blizzard has become.

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What?

1.) D.va can DM pharah’s rockets. Pharah Rockets shoot so slow that you’ll have a DM ready to eat most of them.

2.) …D.va can literally fly up to pharah and smack her. She can literally go to her face and shoot her with her gun and rockets.

What more do you need in a counter?

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You won’t even acknowledge the counters we have already but we want to complain about the one not even in the game yet?

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All those things require D.va to tunnel vision on the pharah and leave the rest of her team. She’s the best tank counter to Pharah, but not the most ideal counter and only has that title because no other tank (other than roadhog exploiting a bad pharah) can do the job nearly as well.

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They never said that. But they did say tanks will be have more of them.

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You say that like she isn’t designed to do this already. Boosters to move to a target, then back to her team have been in the game since launch.

Actually, why do people criticize tanks like this? People say things like “Reinhardt’s bad because he’s busy protecting his team and not charging in and fighting”, but that’s an intentional design choice with its inherent ups and downs. He’s not “bad” because that’s his playstyle, and neither is D.va

She’s always been the least “tank” like tank in the game, so why complain now?

No, the ideal counter is a hitscan, but if you don’t have that, D.va is a fantastic counter. She’s literally built in a way that objectively counters Pharah, and while she may have to leave her team to do it (she doesn’t always, DM works just fine on the ground), that doesn’t mean its a bad thing to leave your team.

Besides, don’t you guys want more independence? It seems like that was just a lie, and in reality people want tanks to be meat shields with no real damaging power or independence.

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Eeverything in this game is a hard counter to my zenny boi(where is zen buffs :smiling_face_with_tear:)

1 skill (with CD ofc) that needs perfect usage to maybe challenge a flying hero with no awareness of the enemy tank LOS.
“Hard counter”. Ok dude :+1:

Honestly as a Pharah one trick, it doesn’t seem so bad.

The ability in question doesn’t encompass a large enough area and is very confined to specific places.

lol he does the most damage out of supports hit your shots and you will survive

No sht sherlock thanks for the tip didn’t know that

/s

“hit you shots” yeah fun when widowmakers spamming bodyshots every single game.

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and she would be completely usless

it only takes 2 spamming bodyshots to kill a 200 hp character…