Ow2 Dailies vs Rivals: A Time-Wasting Chore(?)

As a Overwatch 2 fan, it pains me to say that the daily challenges have become an exhausting chore. While Marvel Rivals offers a refreshing variety in their objectives, Overwatch’s dailies often feel like a never-ending cycle of playing the same maps and heroes over and over.

Marvel rivals dailies are often short and sweet and roll over. The weeklies are fun while the dailies are often forgiving, for instance.

Rivals weeklies

  • Get 25-50 assists as Adam Warlock / Mantis / Dr Strange / Psylock / Magneto! (hero variety)

  • Heal 15000-25000 dmg as Luna Snow / Jeff the shark / Mantis / Loki

  • Take or Tank 15000-25000 dmg as Strange/Magneto / Punisher / Invisible woman

  • Give 15 upvotes (endorsements) to teammates!

  • Use 10 sprays

  • Play a seasonal event!

Rivals Dailies

  • Deal 5000 damage with any character of your choice!

  • Heal 5000 damage with any character of your choice!

  • Shield 5000 Damage with any tank of your choice!

  • Secure 10 assists

Vs ow2 Dailies

  • Play 450 games of tank in a row for 150 days

  • See if you win or lose a game for 2-5 matches

  • Play 3-5 games to complete a odd quest

Weeklies

  • After 450 games of tank in a row, play 750 games of a non top 3 played character, which means you can get flamed for throwing or possibly reported

  • Been a while but basically every game of all que forces you to be tank / least played role 450 games in a row, while doing all 3 roles like healing/damage

  • Huge slog.

Let’s crunch some numbers: 3 matches per day, each lasting around a average of 10-15 minutes, for the 3 all que dailies, easily adds up to 30-45+ minutes daily. But if you get a odd quest that might require 5 games to complete, that can shoot up to 50-75 minutes. You don’t have quests roll over like Rivals for instance where you can do 2 days at once, and the weird 19 hr system means if you play one day at Say, 7 pm, and then try to do another set of dailies at 10 am, You won’t be able to.

If you opt to play ranked, that time doubles or even triples. Multiply that by 365 days, and you’re looking at a staggering 200 hours a year spent on mere dailies alone. In contrast, it took me four years to achieve that time in games like Left 4 Dead 2.

Life outside of gaming has only grown more demanding. Job markets are fluctuating, outsourcing is on the rise, Ai competition fueled layoffs and outsourcing (whether shoddy output or wanted or not) is becoming prevalent, and the competition for positions is fiercer than ever, while linkedin and Indeed recruiters are also flat letting scammers run “you been hired! send me 3000$ to purchase equipment to work at this company!” On top of that, job applications often require firing off hundreds or even thousands of resumes, with only a small fraction leading to interviews.

So people are busier than ever with inflation taking away more money and jobs becoming more unstable, and one game offers dailies that stack, can let you complete 2 day’s at once, and has weeklies completable in 2-5 matches vs 25 games.

And many of us now juggle real-life responsibilities, careers, families, and hobbies, leaving little room for the daily grind. The idea of dedicating 4-10 hrs a week or more to grinding out Battlepass levels in Ow2 isn’t too much by itself, but when you add in work, instability, does anyone just consider dropping ow2 to the daily slog alone?

I feel like timeplayed metrics are being farmed instead of time enjoyed. WoW imho had this same problem, it went from a game you loved to log into every day, whether grinding, fighting the lich king, doing dungeons with friends, and mining saronite to make a cool asf set of lich king inspired armor. To a game you used to have 2-4 hrs of chores a day and a 40 day timelocked grind to unlock faster travel.

Instead of being a game that was so addictively fun, you just sat down and played, it became kinda paradoxially a chore. If you wanted to game in one session you could, now paradoxially. You don’t see much rewards for binging gameplay once a week. You do chores every hour and log off. Playing after the hr contributes little to nothing to the next batch of Ow2 dailies, but in rivals it does.

Blizzard’s monetization strategies aren’t helping matters. Paid Battle Passes don’t offer carryover progress, and it seems like they might be incentivized to make the pass a slog, in hopes of players spending $20 or more to 'BOOST BATTLE pass xp by 20% and SKIP 20 levels!". While not bad of itself, it feels like it’s feeling like more of a slog lately with Marvel rivals quests routinely being completed without me even noticing, but ow2 quests make me feel like. “Urrrrgh… Healing 2047/25000 with secondary abilities? I don’t have time for this crap” and logging off.

As someone who’s grown tired of Overwatch’s daily grind, I can’t help but wonder if it’s time to reevaluate my commitment to the game. The increasing time investment required to stay on top of dailies, combined with the ever-present pressure to purchase paid passes, has started to feel like a 200-hour-a-year chore just for skins.

I don’t hate Overwatch and i enjoy both games, but does anyone ever feel like every game and their mother adding 2-10 hrs a week battlepasses on top of 40-60 hrs a week is starting to become a giant chore?

Edit (Jan 24)

Now i’m not saying that a hr of dailies every day isn’t impossible, just that hours add up when you add 40 + 5 + 10 + 10 for all the battlepasses games have these days.

You kinda have to pick and choose what games to spend time on and nothing wrong with that, i’m just wondering if ow2 despite being a game i enjoy should be something i cut down on.

It’s not that Rivals is dramatically better than ow2, but it’s just fresh, seems enjoyable, and it’s in the boom /hype period rn and hasn’t really had time to have any controversies (yet).

Example clips of rivals clips i love for fun

Hulk Hurling Logan (Wolverine) off a cliff to kill a ironman with dramatic anime music XD
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1QW83Yuw3yg

Jeff mains after spitting your entire team off the cliff (friendly fire allowed)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ype1fhuPPhg

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Also Marvel Rivals challenges both dailies and every second dailies can be accomplished in practice vs ai so you can easily accomplish all the character specific challenges there if you for example don’t really play as characters like iron fist, hawkeye or hela.

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Do people even bother with or care about daily’s?

I’m here to play a game, not worry about FOMO mobile game mechanics…

I honestly completely forgot that daily’s even exist…

But hey, I guess if you worry about them then you are exactly the type of customer that Blizzard targeted with this FOMO nonsense.

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Yes, most people do and only a fraction does not care. You are special and now you get a cookie: :cookie:

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Honestly yeah, that too.

Although i suppose Practice vs Ai still gives okayish ow2 xp, like often 1k xp in 5-6 minutes too while Rivals xp post quest is mostly useless for battlepasses outside of alternative portrait cosmetics. (like the hearthstone 1000 wins with class skins).

But even though i love both games, im kinda wondering if i should take a break from daily grinding or trying to Level 80 the pass. If you’re f2p there’s not many rewards and i think it’s like… 200-300 hrs a year when a runescape 99 was infamous for 90 hrs. Though i suppose a lot of osrs runescape 99s are notoriously mind numbingly repetitive like 99 hrs of clicking a iron rock + dropping iron ore.

I think that gameplay fit as a kid when there was little on the net, games weren’t as polished and refined then. Games that blew our minds like Half life 2 and Harvest moon 64 and everquest’s 1 “so much more realistic than WOW!” graphics kinda have become dated. Like real life people’s faces on 4 poly models looking less detailed than origami steve papercrafts.

Both games are free but… I don’t know if i want to do the 200-400 hr /year ow2 daily slog. It also kinda disincentizies ranked grinding to see where you are when quests are timed on games played vs Damage/healing done.

Sometimes there are weird ‘orphan quests’ you can’t complete doing your win 3 games as all too. And nearly none of the quests neatly line up at all for playtime. I don’t really like the “play heros not in your top 3” either in a game you’re forced to play 450 games in a row as tank on all que.

Like the only way to do that without throwing in ow2 is to switch to a tank at the last minute that you don’t main, and then you have to keep track. If it was at least “play 5 games” as a non 3 or “play 3 different heros this week!” i wouldn’t mind as much.

You got a source for that? Out of the 8 or so people that play with, none of them bother with daily’s. So in my anecdotal experience this is not the norm.

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Outcry (positive or negative) about skins, cosmetics, rewards, XP and other stuff. OW is all about cosmetics in the eyes of most people.

What on earth does this have to do with people prioritizing daily’s?

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I mean i suppose just not playing to reach lvl 80 on the pass is a fair compromise. Like on it’s own, half a hr isn’t bad, but when you add up a year of it, 200+ hrs adds up, and that’s assuming 30 minutes to complete all 3 dailies which is fairly generous.

Most games are short if they end in 12-15 minutes for me in overwatch while i feel rival games can often end in 4-7 minutes outside of ranked.

I feel like i don’t even bother with overwatch 2 ranked anymore not solely out of toxicity but if that number jumps up to 200-400 hrs a year while the already sloggy weeklies are halved, doesn’t it kinda border on kinda a second part time job?

If people are just not bothering to finish the passes while employed is that a good sign of game design? I don’t mind check ins but it seems like wasting time to waste time.

Honestly none of this is why the game is struggling.

The issue with OW2 is that it’s become deeply frustrating and unfun to play for any length of time. There are lots of reasons for this but dailies aren’t one of them. Those are only relevant content when the game is enjoyable.

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:joy:

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These types of weeklies are obnoxious and bad. Why? They force you to play heroes you may not like or may not be good at. For example, you may prefer to play Cloak & Dagger or Rocket Raccoon as your healer of choice. But if the weekly for healing doesn’t have that healer listed as eligible? Tough. Pick a different hero, even if you are horrible with them.

If you’re going to compare the two, don’t make up fake daily missions for Overwatch. Because literally none of these are daily missions for Overwatch. Same with the weekly missions. You’re making up weekly missions and by doing that, making them worse than they actually are.

For example, a real Overwatch daily is:

  • Emote ‘Hello’ to a team mate / Emote ‘Thanks’ to a support hero.
  • Play 3 games queued for All Roles
  • Heal 15,000 damage (hero choice doesn’t matter)
  • Mitigate 10,000 damage (hero choice doesn’t matter)

The list goes on.

For weeklies you might have challenges like.

  • Complete 30 games (wins grant double progress)
  • Deal a total of 100,000 damage (regardless of hero or role)
  • Play 15 games with a hero not in your Top 3 (all modes).

Not bad at all, and with the recent change to weekly challenges, your progress carries over rather than resetting. So if you only got 80,000 damage done in the first week, in the second week you can continue to progress that challenge and earn it.

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I think I’m getting too old for it. The only daily thing I did this past month was the Jeff Winter event game. It was okay but I don’t know, I find the rewards and stuff in both games a pain in the butt. I don’t even pay attention to missions or achievements anymore. That said, I don’t mind hero specific tasks but I just don’t want to grind for items in games anymore (I play enough MMORPGs for that)

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It makes me just ignore them completely. Yeah you have the refreshes but you can’t do that for event challenges. Yeah you can finish them in practice vs ai but who the heck plays a PVP game to fight against ai you’re barely even playing the game at that point.

Maybe I wouldn’t feel this way if I found more of the heroes or any of the tanks fun so idk

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Forcing me to play specific heroes is exactly why I hate Rivals missions. I know what I want to play and don’t want to play, and I appreciate that Overwatch doesn’t do that to me.

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My trick was to never even open these pages.
For more work I have my endless to-do list.
I play when I feel like it and not to complete tasks.
I know it’s a kind of FOMO so quitting might not be so simple.

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I bought the Season 0 battle pass, didn’t finish it. I haven’t bought the current BP (in Rivals) because I found the challenges frustrating. I hate having to keep mental notes of which heroes I need to play in order to complete them. So I’ll do like i do OW, completely ignore the BP and challenges. I don’t think I’ll get the current BP until I’m confident I’ll even be playing in a month

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It is indeed a chore. Some of us warned since the launch of OW2 that this monetization is a recipe for failure, but no one cared.

The people in charge who put this strategy know very well the implications, but they simply don’t care.
They consider the Overwatch IP a financial asset that is worth milking until it expires.

They don’t care about the feelings of the gamers. They don’t care about the fun factor. They don’t value people’s time and money. Their approach is purely statistical.

The real dark side of this story, imo, is that it simply works.
People only realize the anti-consumer facet after a while, once the pockets of the execs are full and the harm is done.

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lol it’s really funny seeing praise for some of these challenges given that we slammed the devs over and over again for having challenges that forced you play things you didn’t necessarily want to play

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I just appreciate the QoL aspects in MR’s mission system.

  • I can re-roll dailies I don’t want to do.
  • I can do dailies in vs. AI matches.
  • Dailies go live for everyone at the exact same time (you don’t need to log in to trigger the reset like OW.)
  • Dailies stay around for 48hrs, so if I can’t log in 1 day, that’s ok, i can still do yesterday and today’s dailies all at once. (OW’s dailies don’t even last a day, they expire in 19hrs!)
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