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They completely failed to bring back overwatch. Twitch viewership is already back down to what it was during the content draught of OW1. This means they completely failed to bring a larger audience to the game. They had their second chance and they failed. The only people left playing are the addicts that continued to play for the OW1 content draught and they will continue to play no matter what.
Now ask yourself, with Blizzards current greedy corporate leadership, do you really think this game is going to meet profit expectations with such a small player base? They axed OW1 cause it was not meeting profit quotas, they redesigned the monetization and tried to bring in a larger audience but they failed so they’re just left with the OW1 small community and new monetization. It’s unlikely this game is going to survive. I fully expect Blizzard to give OW2 the axe within a year and replace it with Overwatch 3 BATTLE ROYALE. 
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Viewership =/= playerbase
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I’m aware, but there IS a correlation. Twitch views don’t drop without player numbers dropping. Look up any dead game and you’ll see viewership drop as the players drop.
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There’s really not a correlation. Football manager, World of Tanks, &Dead by Daylight are right around Fortnite in viewers right now, are those games anywhere near Fortnite in players? I don’t think so.
Watching a game is entirely different from playing it. I watch games I don’t play, and play games I don’t watch.
Queue times are a better indicator, and mine are all under a minute for any role.
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So are you saying that viewership is completely irrelevant to how many people play the game?
This more likely points to less players as there are less players to clog up the queues.
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I’m saying that twitch viewcounts are not a direct indicator of how many people actually play the game. Like I just mentioned, Football Manager, Dead by Daylight, and World of Tanks are right around where Fortnite is in terms of viewers, and I doubt you could make a case for them being anywhere close in playerbases. People watch games they don’t play, and play games they don’t watch. Many streamers are popular for who they are, not what they play.
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Right now is completely irrelevant. If you go by monthly averages Fortnite has double the views as dead by daylight. Besides, comparing games to each other based on viewership is irrelevant to this conversation. What I’m saying is there is a correlation between any games twitch viewership and THAT games player base. As the player base for any game drops, so does the twitch viewership.
Twitch viewership for FFXIV is terrible, but it’s doing great.
It’s a bad metric.
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I think you’d have a hard time arguing that Fortnite has just double the playerbase of Dead by daylight, Fortnite is one of the most popular games in the world by far.
Not everyone watches twitch. I don’t watch twitch at all, but I play plenty of videogames. Viewership is not a reliable metric. If you went by what games I watch on twitch you would think I don’t play any at all, and there are a lot of players like me that don’t watch twitch either, but still play plenty.
Like I said, viewership =/= playerbase, there’s no direct correlation, it’s a bad metric. Fast queue times are a better indicator.
Sure, but playing a game is going to make you predisposed to watching content about it.
You said there is no correlation, which is observedly false. It might not indicate exact ratios between each game, but I am willing to bet that a game like Euro Truck Simulator 2 , a game with less viewers than Fortnite, has less players than Fortnite. This pattern repeats quite consistently which means that there is some connection between to two.
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Things work different for story based games because spoilers are involved. Regardless, this is once again irrelevant to what I’m saying. I’m not saying OW2 has a player base equal to the amount of twitch viewers, I’m saying as Twitch views drop, so does the player base. Look up any dead game and it will show that. Don’t want to go by Twitch views? Look up google trends on the game. It shows the exact same decline. People generally don’t play games without googling them.
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Not necessarily. Aside from official cinematics I don’t really watch anything Overwatch related. Same goes for any other games I play.
Sorry, there’s no meaningful correlation. Obviously, a game with 0 players isn’t going to have many or any viewers. But, a games viewership doesn’t directly correlate with how many people are actually playing it. There are games on twitch that have fractions of the playerbase of other games, but for whatever reason are regularly watched to the point that you’d think they have similar playerbases, but they don’t.
Sorry nobody is going to believe HIDDENPANTS over SOCRATES. IQ DIFF.
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Doesn’t matter who you believe, all that matters are the facts and they’re on my side. Viewership =/= playerbase
Too many people play games without watching them for viewership to really matter. Games aren’t determined dead by how many people watch them, but by how many people play them.
Please link me to one fact that’s on your side. You’ve provided 0 facts. Google trends show the exact same thing. If you honestly think that both Overwatch Twitch views AND Google trends can show downtrends without the player base showing downtrends, you are straight up coping. Good luck. Game won’t be around much longer.
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I’ve already repeated a fact several times, that the amount of people who play a game does not directly correlate with how many people watch it.
You sound like a disgruntled ex, you going to be okay? Don’t you have anything better to do than rant and whine?
I don’t care about your anecdotes. What I’m talking about has been studied and researched.
It’s called the Mere-exposure Effect which essentially says that people are more interested in things they are familiar with.
Who are you to decide what is “meaningful”?
Overwatch has significantly fewer viewers than Fortnite does, do you think that this not indicative of how their playerbase sizes might compare?
Fortnite has over 250 million players monthly, OW2 has less than 30 Million.
Fortnite has more viewers than Overwatch.
Same with Euro Truck Simulator and Fortnite
Therefore it can be reasonably deduced that there is a connection between viewship and playerbase to some extent.
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Cool thanks for providing an irrelevant fact. Nobody in this entire thread said that Twitch views directly correlate with player numbers.
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I think what’s trying to be said is not that “high view count on twitch == high number of people playing” - it’s that regardless of whatever the ratio of viewers<->players is, there is a relationship between them.
So like for example, lets say you have 10k viewers on twitch and 100k active players. If the twitch viewer count drops to 1k over time, it’s reasonable to suggest that there arent still 100k active players, and that this number likely dropped by a fair bit. Likewise if the twitch viewership increases to 20k, it’s very likely that the number of active players have increased.
The ratio may not always stay the same - e.g. a drop from 10k->1k viewers may not be 100k->10k active players, but it would be foolish to think that viewership of a game can drop by 90% while the active player count remains the same, or even grows.
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