All of my friends have quit or are in the process of being done with the game.
We’ve never had a loss record like we have these last few weeks. We lose 80% of all matches we play, regardless if it’s ranked, QP, QPC, etc. Most of us are in Gold rank, a few in silver, and a few in plat. We have all sort of gone to gold or silver now, and lose far more than we ever win. It’s not fun. I have a few screenshots of us with 80% loss records at the end of the night. At the end of one night, a friend stated “yea, this game isn’t fun anymore, I think I am done with OW”, and I can’t even blame him.
I cannot specifically speak on what’s causing this, but all I can say is that the games have people who are constantly toxic all the time and people who have seemingly become 10x better than us overnight. It’s unfortunate, but I feel like until OW2, this game is dead for me and my friend group.
Regardless, you may want to discuss the tactics you’ve been using.
I’m pretty casual (I play QPC and exit after the 1st win of the day, which often is the 1st or 2nd match) and my replays have 80% “wins”. Which isn’t hard in QPC to anyone that has played comp above Bronze.
I’m pretty sure you and your friends can get wins there.
If it’s comp you’re having trouble with, then it’s a matter of the tactics you’re using (also, if you’re less than 6 and more than 3 you may want to find a way to make randoms cooperate).
I think it’s important to realize we just want to play the game and have fun. We aren’t constantly talking tactics and coming up with win scenarios and all that . We just want to have a good time and win sometimes.
Feels like everyone in this game is so set on always winning and becoming amazing at the game. We are like 30 y/o dudes who just want to have a few beers and play the game. It’s the reason we are all gold/silver.
In ranked, we do try to communicate more and use ults, but we’ve never lost so hard as we have the last few weeks. A few games had clear smurfs, but mostly it just seems like we were outclassed. People doing perfect nanoblade or zarya grav combos. We aren’t amazing players so even when we have a plan to combo ults, often one or both people mess it up somehow. Because again, we are silver/gold players.
This post isn’t about getting better, it’s about the fact that a group of casual players can no longer have fun in this game, which I think is a real shame, because we have had a lot of really fun nights in the past.
Have you checked your enemies estimate SR? I have the impression Blizzard increased the borders for matchmaking to compensate for the lack of players. Which would mean you, especially as a group, get matched with players way above your actual SR.
This is possible, and part of what I think the problem is. I have no data to back it up, though, since only Blizzard would know this info. We just played games tonight where the other team would have 2 plats and we would get all golds and some silvers. Didn’t make much sense to me. We got stomped hard, people raging like crazy in chat and tilting other random people. It was a mess.
its because of the way blizzard balances, you just cant have a logical ladder when one player is an ana one trick with 30 hours in gold and one player is a moira one trick with 30 hours in gold. Its just not fair to the players. or the same for a mcree one trick and a mei one trick at the exact same SR. its just not possible to balance when the heroes skill curve is that different but the same power level.
Odds are your teams refusal to play the boring meta heroes right now or adapt to the game changes. In the past that really wasn’t a big deal at mid or lower SR ranges.
Problem right now, until that ptr patch hits, it’s like play Moira or lose. Play Orisa or lose. Play doom, Mei or reaper or lose… The heroes are so easy to play poorly and STILL do OK on that it’s just kind of trashed the game’s fun for a lot of players.
I can’t stand playing live anymore, at all. It’s ptr or nothing. Live feels like shoot bb guns at neon painted walls for hours at a time
Honestly in this case I’d say stick to quickplay. Not saying that to be rude and say you aren’t able to take the epic hardcore gamers in comp but I honestly think Quick Play Overwatch is the most fun version of the game and the best for people looking for a fun game and not to just raise their blizz approved ranking.
Basically this. Double barrier was the first meta that influenced low ranks. If you do not play it and you are not much better players, you will lose. Add in role queue and the garbage matchmaking along with influx of smurfs and it is pretty obvious why the game is getting progressively harder to enjoy.
Well we have played QP and it’s actually somehow worse on moral than QPC. I think because people take it more seriously than QPC since roles are assigned out, not sure. All I know is that people in the group prefer QPC over QP.
Ranked we almost always play with a full stack of 6. If we are doing that, we should simply be at a rank where we are facing ppl our skill, but lately it doesn’t seem like that’s the case. We figured ranked should give us the best results of fair 50/50 ish games since mmr is taken seriously and all, rather than connection speed and such. In things like QP we sometimes run into extremely high rated players (even some GMs sometimes), and a lot of Diamond players. So at least ranked doesn’t have those literally soloing more than half our team.
The exact same thing is happening to me, except I can still get a decent winrate in QPC. Something is horribly wrong with the matchmaking.
There is absolutely something wrong with the game right now. I’ve never lost so much as I do in regular QP and I never end up facing lower ranked teams, either.
Well you know your friends better than I do of course but that’s a bit weird, quick play classic has a incentive for their players thanks to the ‘win 9 games’ thing.
MMR does take a while to adust though, I’d advise you guys take a break from OW for a while and come back later once the frustration of those early loses wears off a bit.
You said you want to “win sometimes”. Well then, play QP Classic. Wins will come and all can have fun not thinking much about tactics and those things.
And since you all just want to have fun, avoid comp (all stress and young tryhards) and QP Role Queue (it’s for tryhards that are too chicken to play for SR).
Also, if you do comp as a 6-stack, game will pit you against other stacks. This will often mean tougher fights and a ladder experience far harder than normal. Beware of that.
Regardless of how skilled you are, you won’t actually lose 80% of the time over a very large sample size of matches. In general, the matchmaking is going to put you in matches with people at your skill level—or at least in matches where your team’s overall skill level matches the other team’s. If you’re losing a ton, it’s possible your skill level is rapidly getting worse (so that games the matchmaker thinks are fair are actually skewed against you)—but even if that were the case, enough losses will recalibrate how good the matchmaker thinks you are, and you’ll eventually get games with people at your new skill level. Losing a ton could also be caused by just having randomly been put in lots of games against players that outclass you. The matchmaker obviously wants to create fair matches, but it also doesn’t want players to wait forever for a match, so sometimes you will be put in matches against wildly superior players—particularly outside of comp, where I think the matchmaker is more stringent about not having massive skill gaps between players. I’ve legitimately had nights where I’m somehow consistently put against GM players in QP, and I am not a GM player and so I end up losing most of them. But that’s the exception to the rule, and you could also sometimes be the one getting the much-higher ranked players on your team, so it wouldn’t really explain losing 80% of your games (though I suppose if you’re stacking with a group of, say, 4 people, then your team is less likely to get the ringers, since there’s only 2 possible spots for ringers compared to 6 for the other team). Ultimately, if you’re a gold player, there should be quite a lot of QP games where everyone is roughly around your skill level, since it’s a heavily populated rank.
In the end, I think it’s likely that the following happened: You hit a string of bad luck, possibly aided by having some games where the other team had ringers on their team that are just legitimately much better than you. And once the losing started adding up, then people’s mental game gets way worse, making them play worse, and the whole thing can snowball. I lost something like 20 out of 25 QP games the other night in similar circumstances, but I don’t think it means the game is fundamentally broken. My group just hit a bad set of matches and then people got frustrated and started playing worse and it snowballed. It eventually evens out though, since you’ll have nights where you start winning and everyone’s mental game is great and you go up against teams of people tilting off the planet and easily beat them.
It’s also worth noting that the bigger the group you’re in, the worse off you are if you aren’t trying to play in an organized way. The matchmaker tries to put stacks against other stacks. And the bigger the stack on the other team is, the more likely they are to actually be organizing. So if your group isn’t even trying to be organized, it may actually be true that you’ll lose more than half your games despite not being worse than the other team’s players, simply because that other team will be better organized.
With that said, it sounds like you are actually TRYING to be organized—you just may not be pulling it off well all the time, and aren’t necessarily super focused on it. That level of organization should actually be similar to other stacks at your rank, so I doubt you’re completely messing yourself up that way.
