What do you guys think? This is a general guide for what heroes to pick on Hanamura in a organized setting(not solo q really, though it might work you just probably can’t get these comps with randos). Should I make more?
In organized play, slight team changes in team composition will change how your team plays entirely. If you switch out your Genji for a Soldier, you’ve switched comps from Full Dive to Counter-Dive(your tanks Dive their tanks when they dive your squishies). Minor team comp differences are huge in a competitive setting.
Two most picked comps are Genji Counter-Dive and Soldier: 76 Counter-Dive. Generally Soldier: 76 will be played on 1st and Genji on second. The only reason Fusion and Valiant ran Genji on A defense instead is because both Agilities and EQO are significantly better at Genji.
Defensive dive is incredible at abusing stalling on payloads, but on actual control points especially a point like Hanamura point A cycling your stallers without catching too much damage on winston and D.va is really hard and it’s rare to run into any 6 stack below grand masters that can actually pull it off.
The hardest thing about copying OWL is the teamwork/coordination. The OWL teams practice for 6+ hours a day plus they have analysts to look over their gameplay and perfect their coordination. It’s absolutely in no way realistic to assume a 6 stack that plays 1-2 hours a day 5 days a week can compare to OWL teams or execute their strategies with 1/10th their effectiveness.
This is supposed to be a guide for an organized/competitive setting. Counter-Dive is not that complicated of a strategy to pull off. As long as your tanks are capable of peeling, you should be fine.
Mate counter dive’s main thing is its ability to cycle 1 person onto the point for a short amount of time to stall effectively letting you turn what should be a 14 second cap (if 3 teammates are on it) into a 16-20+ sec capture allowing the defensive team to run down the clock plus it gives them more time to work with and whittle down the enemy with soldier 76 it works especially well with Ana since she can heal up the cycling tanks in a very quick manner and she gives you a better chance of the tank on the point not dying due to hp miss-management.
The other way to prolong defense is to attempt to stagger the enemy as much as possible which dive is good at, but something like Widow is usually better at.
If you are running defensive dive and aren’t abusing stalling you are basically just using it for its combat ability and for getting onto the back liners in which case you suddenly have a lot more lee-way to change your defensive line-up a lot.
You’re talking about a completely different style of play on a different map and mode with different heroes. Watching one clip of Jake talking about Dive doesn’t actually mean that is the only style of Dive that there is. It doesn’t even mean that is optimal in many scenarios. Stall Dive is only really effective against Deathball comps, not against other Dive comps.
Hmmm? I’m talking about Hanamura specifically watch the positoning of most the defensive teams once the first point opens up and the attacking team pushes into the courtyard defensive teams tend try to go aggressive and try to get a pick to stagnate the enemy. If that fails the most of the time there’s a good chance the push will be successful in the OWL so teams start to fall back into the low ground building (me and my friends always called it temple never bothered to learn what the community call out for it is) beside the point and start to stall instead of committing to a full on dive initiation/fight. Because a lot of the time the point is a given by that time so dive’s best strategy is to stall as much as you can because mobile characters can at least stall out for a few seconds.
A fight on Hanamura A goes like this(if the enemy has a Widowmaker)
Widowmaker goes up top
Supports roatate to double doors
Widowmaker rotates towards mega with the help of her team
Supports rotate back to point or the fight breaks out in transition if there is a mistake
If there isn’t a Widowmaker the fight will get much messier and consists of Genji Dive jumping Soldier and Supports at which point Tracer D.Va and Winston will either jump Zenyatta or defend their backline depending on the situation.