Apex Legends and Fortnite both do this. You can spend $10 when you first get the game and afford all future battlepasses. Plus some so you can save up and buy items in the shop. Don’t know Blizzard won’t implement a similar thing.
Because ideally you’ll be spending 10 dollars every 3 or so seasons, instead of once.
You see, they like money.
You could also pay nothing, and get every second BP for free.
blizzard likes to do a little thing called lining their pockets and they view their customers as cash cows
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Cus the ow2 battle pass has a higher value proposition than apex and fortnite plus is less grind than both those games
The extra value and lower grind has to come at a cost somewhere. You cant just compare 1:1 fortnite/apex’s bp vs ow2 when they are trying to achieve different things
Fortnite and apex battle passes are super grindy, full of filler and just there to intend players to have to constantly log in and play. They literally gatekeep the bulk of battle pass progression behind weekly challenges. When they refresh you gain like 8-10 levels really fast but once youve done all your weeklies its back to taking 4-5 hrs to go up 1 level. This basically means you have to come back every week to get the bulk if your bp progression. Also the more players log in the higher chance they will buy a skin or some other actually good cosmetic from the shop
Ow2s battle pass isnt designed to do that. Its super easy to finish, gives you higher cosmetic value than those other games and just is generally a more fluid experience. Instead of expecting you to play non stop every week, the ow2 battle pass can be finish in like 2-3 weeks for even the most average player. They arent forcing you to come back week after week to grind some challenges to finish it. Additionally you’re not going to find 5 legendaries and a mythic on any other games battle pass. The point of the ow2 battle pass is to get a consistent revenue stream of people paying that $4 every season to participate and then giving cool and easy to earn cosmetics for it.
Those other games are happy to refund currency cus the stuff they put into the bp is such an after thought. Its main goal is to force you to play or you will fall out of the earn free currency->buy new bp->earn free currency loop. Them giving you free currency back is just a tactic that makes it more likely you go into the shop and spend that currency on a skin and then have to spend £€$ for the next seasons bp anyway
Ow2 battle pass goes for a higher upfront cost but better rewards and experience. All asking for full coins back will do is make them only give you 50 prisms on a super grindy battle pass or something. Cus why would they keep giving out a full mythic entirely free every season on a battle pass that is easy to complete. Its easy to complete and gives you a full mythic because you paid the $4 upfront to get into it.
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Thank you! Maybe people did not realized this, but the value of the pass items dropped as soon as they added coins into the mix. Couple this with challenges that are “just play the game as X” and a fast completion and you have the OW BP.
If they give 100% of the coins, they would make it harder to complete (what people do not want, because the best skin is on the last tier) or drop the effort they put into the BP.
People like to paint blizz bad for not doing this, but is it really that bad to want 10 bucks (or even just 4 if you completed the last one), every 2 MONTHS from players to get everything in the BP? Its a free game. I can understand complaining about shop recolors and prices, but not about the BP.
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Fortnites pass gets progression from easily completeable quests that stick around nearly the entire duration AND additional events during with even MORE stuff in the events themselves. I play it like twice a week at best and haven’t failed to cap a BP in several seasons.
I see a BP full of garbage nobody uses and where they take all the GOOD theme relevant skins out and sell them separately.
Meanwhile the fortnite BP gives you currency enough to buy the separate store skins EVERY BP
Not to mention the “value” you’re speaking of is their own inflated pricing.
It does not in any measurable way beat the fortnite pass. It’s trying it’s hardest to copy it but they did everything wrong.
I dunno, why does fortnite give out multiple customizable skins WITH customizable weapons (you can swap btw) for free every season?
The OW2 BP is worth the 4-10 bucks. No argument, but pretending it gives more value in some way is delusional.
IIRC you don’t play fortnite? Or if you do you have no idea how it works, cause it’s BONKERS value for 10 bucks.
The challenges in FN are things like “open 10 chests” which is something you have to do to play the game.
If you’re coming from FNs BP? OW2s bp sucks. … just relatively it sucks.
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Ive literally played Fortnite lol
They drip feed you challenges week by week. You have to come back every day/week to actually progress anywhere.
I remember, i went back to play for the lady gaga collab mini battle pass thing and there was only so much you could do a day. Took me nearly 3 weeks because the bulk of the bp xp you could earn reset on a monday. So on Monday i would go up like 2-3 levels very quickly and then my progression plateaued until the following monday
I literally use to play fortnite bp every season and the best strat to finishing a Fortnite bp was always wait until the last 1-2 weeks so you can bash out all the weeklies in a few days and rocket up the tiers. If you actually played the game normally it would take until the last couple weeks because of how they string you along
Try finishing the Fortnite bp week 1. Literally just impossible without spending. People can finish the ow2 battle pass because progression isnt solely tied to challenges like in fortnite
But if you are buying the store skins with your vbucks from the bp you dont have the currency for the bp next season so you are making conflicting statements
Hands down ow2 best bp in gaming. No other game do u get 5 legendaries and a mythic every season and you dont have to play non stop to finish it.
With games like Fortnite and apex you are playing every week up til the last few weeks to finish it. Ow2 I finish it in the first half of the season and then get to chill and play other games. In order to commit to finishing those other games bps they are the only games you can play
Lol the cope. A weapon wrap is bottom tier customisation. Its a recolour: Fortnite out here putting a new shiny sparkle on their latest weapon wrap. Ow2 literally making new weapon models every skin. Not even comparable
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You mean like how OW only has dailies that expire and until recently had weeklies that expired, not to mention you really could only progress these “quests” a minor amount PER GAME.
Dailies generally have at least 2 or more that require 3 FULL GAMES to be played. FN dailies I can get done in one game as well as multiple weeklies and event quests. I can get some of them done in custom games even and now there’s entirely different modes to play if you don’t feel like BR that day.
Finishing OW2 BP week 1 would be damn impressive, doubly so if you did it free-play since you’d have no XP bonus. I don’t doubt it’s possible but lets not make like you wouldn’t be playing 80+ hours.
You literally just argued against yourself. You can catchup in the last week. You just said yourself you DON’T have to play every day because you can superboost in the last weeks.
You get more Vbucks from the pass than is required to buy the next pass, literally 300-400 more PER PASS.
You’re using meaningless evaluations of “value” though. What is a legendary worth? Why is it worth that? Multiple skins in fortnite BP are equal to if not BETTER than “Mythics” in OW.
Customizable colors, elements, effects. Entirely unique models.
… do you see the irony in how you treat it like a chore?
I play at least 6 different games concurrently. 2 of them that AREN’T OW have Bps I have not missed in years one of them is a live MMO. You do not. I also have a fulltime job, just went on a trip to another country and regularly hang out with family and friends, so this isn’t some “no life” scenario.
The melee weapons are highly varied customizations, the vehicles are wrap applicable, there’s gliders, back decos, and the skins THEMSELVES have varied customization. Not to mention the skins themselves are usually entirely new models as well.
Why do you continue to defend what is so obviously less value AND a more customer hostile system?
OW2’s BP is a shadow of FNs and I LIKE OW as a game more. It’s just linked to this incredibly shallowly thought out BP that obviously WANTS to be FNs BP but is like someone is copying it through a window of incompetence.
I can’t be mad about it, because the OW pass actually has stuff in it that I want. I only played Apex for about the first 10 seasons, but I don’t remember a single thing ater season 1 that I wanted to use. At least our stuff is top quality.
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Not if you’re trying to actually complete it. Level 200 is tough in eight weeks.
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You are missing the point lol. In fortnite you have to do the challenges and quests to actually make progress. In ow you can just play the game and make progress. You dont have to jump through hoops and wait week to week to level up your bp. You can just play the game for an hour and get a level. Have you actually tried to grind a level in fortnite or apex without the use of challenges? Takes 3-4 hrs
Not really lol. Even most casual people can finish it by mid season
If the best way to min max your game is not play it, its a failed logic lol. Apex does the same. I used to just wait until the last 2 weeks and only play then.
THAT ISNT A GOOD THING lol
And what are you buying for 300-400 vbucks lol? Nothing. They give you more so you go spend more money in the shop. Thats the entire purpose behind it
No they arent lol. Majority of fortnite skins are generic black dude with fade, banana with different outfit, cutesy cat girl #3
Nothing comes close to a mythic lol
The cope
The only games that are a chore are games like fortnite and apex because they expect you to no life and play the game every living second
Imagine complaining a game like ow2 doesnt require your entire life investment to actually complete the bp lol…
Sounds like a chore to me
Sunk cost fallacy in full effect
They all do the same thing….
Nah ow2 battle pass far exceeds fortnite. I dont have to no life the game every week to actually finish it. I pay my $10 in coins, get $6 back by the end. Far superior cosmetics in every way. Better flow of rewards. It is just better by a large margin. Ow’s problem isnt the bp or cosmetics. They are industry leading as always. The art team carries. The actual game is just broken and the balance team consistently kills the season day 1 with poor changes
Fortnite returns over 1.5x the cost of the BP. Costs 950 and returns 1500.
Literally lol
Apex players constantly dumping on ow cus they get all their coins back from the bp. All whilst getting the most mid, bland, uninteresting skins in gaming history lol.
Great you get all your coins back 
id expect that when the cosmetics you are getting literally have no effort put into them.
You know where all the effort is put? Into their multiple $150 collection events a season which is how you get the mythics in apex.
Mythics in ow2 - pay $10 for a battlepass, get to the end get the mythic and $6 back.
Mythics in apex - spend $150 on a collection event ‘but we get all our coins back’
Mythics in Fortnite- crickets ‘but we get all our coins back’
Those games dont even come close to what ow is able to put out yet people roll over cus they get all their coins back from a mid, low value battle pass
If the overwatch battle pass was as trash as the ones from those other games id also want all my coins back. But it isnt. Thats the difference
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Saying no other games have mythic skins is like Hyundai saying “no other automaker provides Hyundai Smartsense” even though that’s because that’s what they’ve chosen to call their suite of safety features.
And the forums call OW’s skins the worst in the industry until another game is mentioned, then they’re industry leading
You get XP from playing the game. I thought you played? Every single game has achievements for doing things like being the first to touch the ground or shoot so many wildlife or shoot people with a certain gun. You really aren’t showing any sort of familiarity with it.
You don’t have to do this in FN either. Just play the game.
If I play FN for an hour I get like 5-10 levels.
It’s really hard not to have ANY challenges, there’s almost always stuff active or things to do. If not dailies than there’s just playing the different game modes or creator islands.
Not your original claim and statement.
it’s literally 80+ hours of gameplay to do without XP boots, events, or double xp weekends. I talked to people about this who claimed to have done it… it’s playing constantly. If you wanna talk about “no-life”-ing something. That’s a full double workweek of playing. Yick.
You’re ignoring that you countered your own point. You do not HAVE to login all the time to progress or finish. You can catchup with the stored quests, OR check in for the events and get bonuses that way… OR just log 30minutes a day to grab dailies. There’s a lot of options.
The game itself is FUN and you can easily get through the BP by playing ultra casually like I do. You don’t have to minmax at all.
A skin for your weapon, an emote, a cheap skin. It’s far more than OW gives you which is AGAIN something you claimed falsely. OR you can build it up to buy stuff on the shop as it comes which sometimes is extra mini-passes with MORE Vbucks. It’s laughable that you’d scoff at the extra currency when OW gives you so little.
You really don’t play do you? This last event alone had marvel characters with multiple customizations and colored skins.
The basic basic skins are there, but that’s not what’s in the BP. They have garbage in the form of the emote sprays… but it’s not like OW2 didn’t copy that.
You really think I’m trying to “cope”? You can get a skin with the same amount of color palette swaps and customization options if not MORE than a mythic. I can screen shot them if you like.
You seem to be coping with the fact “mythics” are free in other games because you need to convince yourself you’re getting some sort of great value with all of 9 customization options and a pay to upgrade palette swap.
Literally proved you wrong above for FN. I don’t play Apex though, couldn’t comment.
That was not what I said. I told you that you’re treating the game like a chore where you’re glad you’re “done” playing. Whereas I like a game that’s fun to play AND has rewards. I enjoy loading up FN and playing a couple games a week… you seem like you cannot wait to put OW back on the shelf.
Now that is some cope. Cannot fathom someone else has a variety of games they enjoy and can keep playing.
So do all the weapon skins that are inseparable from their character skins. Your point? Or are you gonna tell me you’re all about the 80 dollar weapon skins in OW because they have a feature we were promised years ago and some kill animations?
Nothing you said proves this in any way. You’re just ignoring what I’m saying and misrepresenting my statements. Objectively you get more with the FN BP. Sheer volume and investment required and value extracted all lean towards FN.
As you PROVED YOURSELF… you don’t have to no life the FN BP either. If you so choose you can catchup at the very end and get MORE than you paid for it back purely in game currency along with a ton of what would be legendary (full character model changes) skins, emotes, taunts, and customization options you can swap around as you like.
… sure… the recolors are industry leaders. Yahuh.
It’s largely outsourced now. So I mean… anyone can hire those people.
Sure, Fortnite bonus tiers (beyond lvl100) offer 19 recolors of battle pass skins, as well as more v-bucks, lobby music, loading screen art, emotes, pickaxes, back bling, whatever
OW give you “Discord Kitten”
OW wins no question
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Yes, early on some people went at it like WOW players go for “world first”. You’re right about the time commitment, you basically have to eat, sleep, poop, Overwatch; but it’s possible to complete its BP super fast.
As far as the main conversation is concerned, I tend to agree with Swanky. A lot of it is very subjective, but from what I’ve seen in other games our BP is one of the better ones out there.
Why?
I can agree it’s worth what you pay for it. Not gonna argue that. And there are far worse ones… but that’s not really an endorsement of it.
If the entire claim is “it’s not bad” then sure. The argument being leveled, pretty disingenuously I might add, is that it’s better and gives more value than FN… which is just outright not true. You literally get more directly measurable monetary value from the FN one.
It’s subjective whether you LIKE what you get… but the straight up item to item per dollar spent and rebate of “premium” currency alone is largely in FNs favor.
The argument that if OWs was to give full BP repurchase currency it would have to be super grindy and lose value and then cite FN as proof of this is just straight up disproving the argument.
I LIKE OW I want to repeat btw. I like it MORE than FN. But I’m getting a heck of a lot more for 10 bucks there than here and when they preview a BP and then flash all the fun skins… those skins are IN the BP… not flim flam swapped into the shop.
Eh, I have a hard time levelling up a lot, but this only happens when I refuse to be the punching bag and queue all roles. I’m just bad at Support, game!
However, when I do become the punching bag, do my endorsements, and occasionally win… Sometimes I’ll log back in and open the pass tab and suddenly have three or so levels unlocked… Almost funny.
lol the cope. A hero recolor is bottom tier customization. It’s a recolor. OW out here putting a shiny new sparkle on their latest (or oldest lol) hero skin.
It’s easy to spin things positively when your goal is to make that thing look as good as possible