Overwatch coaching

Hey i am always looking for things to learn and i would like to know if there are some good coaching channels on youtube. I used to watch Iostux but his is not posting reviews so often. Recently i discovered this guy Temporal:

He is really great and he is doing reviews frequently and i can only suggest anyone in lower ranks to watch his stuff.

Are there any other good coaching channels worth watching?

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Stylosa has done vod reviews consistently, for forever. I don’t feel like his analysis is always entirely on point and he tends to give the same advice often so somewhat diminishing returns after you’ve seen a dozen or so reviews.

I really like Jayne’s reviews/coaching, but he doesn’t do them that often (or doesn’t export them from twitch to Youtube, which to me is effectively the same thing because I’m not digging through Twitch vods.)

Some of the best teaching content I’ve seen is in his coaching sessions though. Because he originally does them live on Twitch he’s often able to interact directly with the player, which even though the game is replay, still adds a lot compared to a straight vod review. (Also more than that in some cases, e.g. the one where he teaches the player the mechanics of how to do good D.Va bombs and Hog hooks.)

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Every review I’ve ever watched from him has devolved into him making fun of poor plays. :thinking:

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Lol. He does do a fair bit of that, but it does effectively point out the poor plays. And he usually has a suggestion after he’s done laughing, even if it’s one of the old chestnuts of ā€˜take the high ground’ or ā€˜play with your team’.

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If you want my advice, avoid coaching altogether

play the game as a full 6 team stack same group so you can criticise each others plays

Stylosa is not doing coaching I would be interested in. The way of how he is doing coaching is more for fun content than actual coaching. Yeah some tip here and there but nothing i could learn there really.

Just watch stylosa and then try Temporal or Iostux, its completely something else.

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I am personally still like a Number 1 Jayne fan when it comes to coaching and I recently subscribed to Temporal as well. I only discovered him on the forums and have watched almost all of his coaching videos by now :smiley:

All? LOL I do it too but there is a lot so it will take some time. I liked watching jayne but he stopped with coaching content for a long time so i moved on and recently i saw him streaming different game i believe, is he back to coaching again?

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Not all, hence why I said almost all :slight_smile: Been putting his vids on when I am working and having it run in the background. I also come back to some vids after my shift is over to recalibrate.

As far as Jayne goes, he does not post a lot on Yoututbe anymore. Maybe he posts more on Discord? I dunno.
His last vid was like a month ago or so. But I still always come back to his Vod’s and his tournaments where he puts like one GM into Gold or one Gold into GM and stuff like that.

The thing about Jayne is, hence why I like him so much, he teaches you even if he did not mean to :smiley:

My point about Jayne is, does not matter when a certain video about x,y,z was posted. Pre or after certain nerfs, the basics of it still remains. And the basics of it helps me, personally, a lot.

Problem is that a lot of it from past is probably heavily outdated as game and balance keeps changing.

I know, hence why I said the basics of it still matter.

Like for example, no matter how much you nerf or buff Zarya (just an example) the video from 2018, while you are watching it in 2021, about bubble management is, imo, still valuable.

By far the worst advice I’ve seen given on the Forums.

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i watch a guy named realth on twitch sometimes (EU streamer) and i really like how he does it and he’s very smart

I do have to wonder If high ELO players are disconnected from low ELO players. In the higher elos I’m pretty sure most DPS are good in the lower elos It’s a hit or miss. As a brig player I’m well aware that packs are better spent on DPS players, however they’re also harder to heal which is surprising because brig packs auto lock. But the fact is low elo DPS players don’t seem to be all that aware of their support.

By default supports have a better team awareness because we’re obligated to, and it’s not that tanks have better awareness than DPS players It’s just that by default they’re usually in front and luckily for them they don’t need as much awareness as a dps players because they’re high health pool and survival mechanisms make them ​more likely to survive any mistakes that mould instantly delete the DPS player. At lower elo’s tanks can afford to make a lot of dumb mistakes, DPS players cannot.

A DPS player can sometimes do things and make it difficult. I’ve had to chase soldier 76 through corridors as he spams I need healing as he sprints away from me, cutting corners then make healing impossible only to either lose him or finally catch up to him as he’s found the health pack he was looking for. And there’s jumping genji’s which makes Anna’s job ridiculous. Then there’s the DPS players that decide to take matters into their own hands and stand in between me and the tank believing that this will help, and maybe you would if I were a Moira but I’m Brig and by dancing around the tank the much larger tank
I’ll be lucky if I didn’t waste all three trying to heal him and worst case scenario they all went to the full health tank in the attempt. You could wonder why I didn’t just move to the side or try to position myself to heal them better its probably because there’s something going on which means I have to get this done quickly or else I get killed. Then there’s LOS Just probably the number one reason most they don’t get healed, and since not everyone uses voice chat it’s kind of a difficult thing to communicate there is no ā€œyou’re out of my LOS shortcutā€ In which case I’m not sure what they’re thinking. I wouldn’t mind going up to them if there is time but more often than not there isn’t It’s often easier for them to peek out than for me to climb a bunch of stairs. Then there’s the ones that just keep dying so quickly or don’t pull out of engagements while asking for healing that you can’t really do nothing about.

It is unfortunate because tanks don’t have to do or think about many of these points. But a lot more is required in terms of awareness from a DPS player If they want to effectively be healed. Which is why I wonder if there’s a disconnect from higher elo coaches. I’m pretty sure in their games the DPS players largely don’t have, Even in the lower elbows there are some DPS players who don’t have this problem. Then again in the team game it’s so hard to determine who actually is messing up everything seems to be caused by another thing that you could potentially blame anyone.

I started watching temp fairly early on when he returned to overwatch after his break. Really great fellow, has a great understanding of the game.

They clearly are. A lot of tips/coaching content is entirely useless, since it contains suggestions like ā€œcoordinate with your teamā€ or specific types of coordination like ā€œask your zarya for a bubbleā€, ā€œask your team to peek youā€ (as mercy, so you don’t plummet to your death at certain points).

Frankly speaking, simply getting the team to regroup as six before re-engaging the enemy is too much of an ask much of the time.

One of the things I like(d) about Jayne though was that his ladder coaching was always (or at least for Plat and below) tuned to the idea that your teammates can’t be counted on, at all. (Though frankly, the notion that everyone up through plat is just as dumb as Bronze, just with better mechanics is a bit of a bleak one.)

This is not true. Maybe some are disconected. But a lot of them isnt. I watch Iostux and now temporal and they watched enough of low ranks to know what to tell players who are trying to climb from there. And they have results. I for example played in low ranks also so when i do review i know what to tell players to help them.

I haven’t watched Iostux, but Temporal does seem decent, and then of course there’s Jayne (if he ever copies his sessions to youtube again…). That’s not ā€œa lot of themā€, that’s 3, one of whom may not even be active anymore, that we’ve managed to name in a topic dedicated to naming them…

(Stylosa I don’t really count. He can point out mistakes and give some general advice, of course, or I wouldn’t have even brought him up earlier, but he definitely qualifies in my mind as ā€˜out of touch’ with low Elo.)

There is many others on these forums, me included who occasionaly do reviews/coaching, we just dont have channels dedicated to it on youtube.

I agree.

Also there is SVB btw, he occasionaly do coaching too. Its not profesional surebut you dont need to be pro to help.

I believe there are others on youtube, i just dont know about them yet, thats why i created this topic :slight_smile: