Overwatch and Valorant are different genres

Please stop assuming Valorant will kill Overwatch for all players. I can see a lot of DPS going to Valorant, but people who love playing Tank, Support, or special characters like Doomfist aren’t gonna find what they need in Valorant.

Valorant threatens CS:GO more than Overwatch.

This happened when Apex Legends came out as well, and yet the playerbase is still here, because Overwatch is the best MOBA/FPS hybrid available (I know Paladins exists, I personally didn’t like it as much; that’s up to your opinion).

Thank you.

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who knows, both appeal to the casual market, both are team based shooters.
it’s a bit different but it’s not wildly different.

Paladins exists but overwatch is still being the best technically
That’s why paladins hasn’t took over even being a free to play game

I love paladins to death. It’s too heavily shadowed by its past, to be honest.

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I was super disappointed when they decided it would be arm/disarm.

All the things I dislike about CS:GO will be amped with abilities.

Back to the OW drawing board, damn it.

At this point I just want Team Fortress 3, or a Class Based FPS with a lot of the same classes as TF2, but with some of the stuff from Paladins and Overwatch mixed in.

Like Ashe could replace the Sniper, and be given unlockable rifles that change what she can do. The Medic could just be Mercy with customization, and more free feeling mobility that allows her to focus purely on evasion and healing.

Spy could just have a Opening Shot mechanic, where his gun will crit on headshot every 0.95 seconds or 0.75 second for the stock revolver. The Revolver could two tap to the head for light classes, like Scouts and Medics, but only the Ambassador could two tap Pyros and Soldiers, in exchange for being far less forgiving.

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I hate to inform you, but this is inaccurate. Valorant has said they want a competitive game, which is why they dialed it back on the graphics. Valorant is a lot slower and easier to understand than OW. Also, Overwatch is an FPS-MOBA hybrid. The term “team-based shooter” is too broad of a description these days, but I do think it fits Valorant best.
Who knows, maybe Valorant makes some massive changes and it gains some MOBA aspects. Until then, the only place you’ll find characters like Doomfist or Moira is in Overwatch.

If valorant becomes successful, it will take away a huge chunk of overwatch fanbase. You can be sure of that.

This game slowly but surely moved away from being FPS to becoming a first person moba basically. A lot of people who originally started overwatch in the early days liked the fps aspect of it. They didn’t want a full moba.

So if a replacement arrives that focuses on fps, with a bit of moba like how overwatch used to be? And becomes a good game too? I don’t see why it wouldn’t take away a massive number of players.

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You’re assuming that most of the playerbase hates MOBA mechanics in Overwatch. Traditional DPS (as in Soldier, Widow, etc.; heroes focused mostly on their gunplay) will probably go to Valorant. Maybe that will even free up queue times for DPS a bit.

But I still stand by that you won’t get a replacement for Reinhardt, Doomfist, or Lucio in Valorant. Valorant is heavily focused on gunplay, with abilities augmenting that. Overwatch has many characters that focus solely on their abilities.

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Just because the two games aren’t alike, it doesn’t mean that Valorant can’t take away players from Overwatch. This is not the same as with Apex, because it was a battel royal, while Valorant categorizes as a team based shooter, like Overwatch.

Even though the two games a different enough from each other to coexist, Valorant is going to be appealing to a lot of Overwatch players simply because it’s a new and polished free to play game, in the same genre as Overwatch, and we aren’t going to get any new content for Overwatch until OW2. However, I think a lot of players are going to come back when OW2 goes into beta.

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I do too, tf2 just died out with slow updates. I’m surprised that people still play it even tho some weapons that were nerfed are trash.

You don’t understand the issue. Having heroes like rein or doomfist or whatever else you’re thinking isn’t the big issue with overwatch.

The issue is that the game transitioned into a moba. It’s not even 10% fps anymore. The whole selling point of overwatch for a lot of people was the fact that it was a new type of first person shooter that had abilities and ultimates like moba.

But over the years, mechanical skill lost its meaning. Aim became irrelevant. Months of practice with an extremely difficult hero is worthless when you get the same results with a much easier hero. Everything slowly but surely turned the game into a first person moba.

A competitive game that brings the old overwatch back, will DEFINITELY take away a big chunk of playerbase. Of course, only if the game is good and successful.

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Again, I don’t put Valorant and Overwatch in the same genre. Unless you consider CS:GO a MOBA game, then Valorant has no Moba aspects.
Most abilities in Valorant function similar to smokes and grenades than anything in Overwatch. The only vision-obscuring abilities in Overwatch are just because of the game’s wacky graphics (remember Coalesense before the visual change? You could barely see anything if she put the laser in your face)

i’m comparing valorant to cs:go, and to me it looks like a more casual cs:go.
just because it borrows a tag from one of the most hardcore competitive games on the market doesn’t mean it’s as hardcore and competitive.

also to inform you about the scaled back graphics that’s more cartoony, what this does is make the game more marketable, not only for investors and sponsors who don’t want to associate their products with a bloody and violent game, it also makes it more advertizeable to a bigger audience.

so what valorant is doing is to reach a bigger audience which is to give it a bigger mass appeal which in that sense is making it a more casual experience.

just because the game doesn’t feature characters like moira or doomfist doesn’t mean that their current characters don’t trivialize other aspects of a tactical shooter.
take another close look at it, i know you don’t want to admit it, but it’s all there.
and if you want to play it there’s no shame in it, but i doubt it’ll be as competitive as cs:go which it puts itself up against.

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Calling Overwatch a MOBA is reaching. No doubt that Overwatch has MOBA elements to it, but out of the 32 heroes in the game only Brigitte, Reinhardt, Moira, and Winston doesn’t have any shooting mechanic, and 24 of all heroes in Overwatch holds a weapon of some sort in their hand.

Overwatch is a team based first person shooter with abilities, and Valorant is a team based first person shooter with abilities. Even though they play different from each other, this similarity is enough to make a lot of Overwatch players interested in testing out Valorant. I mean, it’s a free to play game, and nothing is happening in Overwatch, so why wouldn’t you try Valorant?

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People keep declaring this or that to be the next OW killer, but TF3 would be a true threat—Valve knows what they’re doing

Mcree and soldier 76 have never been better, widowmaker used to be useless in the early days, triple tank used to be normal, Ana used to be worthless.

Game is infinitely in a FPS state than its ever been in.

Valorant, CSGO, Rainbow6 Siege: Competitive FPS/ Tactical Shooter
Overwatch, Paladins, Battleborn, Lawbreakers: Hero Shooter
League, DOTA, Heroes of the Storm, Smite(3rd person): MOBA
Fortnite, Apex Legends, PUBG, CoD:Warzone: Battle Royale

Knowledge is power :slight_smile:

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mccree was the go to dps of season 2. Soldier was the best dps in season 3 and half of season 4 until dive kicked in. Widowmaker wasn’t useless. She was only good for high end players the way she should have been.

You’re missing the point. Pointing and shooting isn’t the only part of being a first person shooter. The game transitioned from abilities being an addition to the main gun to becoming the main thing while guns are just some additions we have. Supers and abilities became more important. that’s what moba is. you don’t aim much with a moba. You manage abilities like overwatch.

The game has always had torbjorn, symmetra, reinhardt, winston, mercy, lucio. Game has never been 100% FPS, and should never be.

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