other than damage and time what counter plays petal?
I hack Orisa out of ult all the time. Just saying.
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It’s literally part of her ultimates ability fortify to become immune to gravity and other effects. she becomes so heavy and golden that she would not go up due to weight. I would even take a slow on the petal if in Fortify/Ultimate. it makes sense for the hero, it’s a slow ultimate which is why it’s hard to counter, but she also can just be killed.
Moira coal pierces it like any other shield type creation in the game.
eh i mean, it pierces shields and such, but at the heart of it you are just doing damage to the petal not countering it truly.
No, it actually pierces the petal and damages through it. They changed it not long ago iirc.
They changed it, she can be hacked during ultimate- trust me.
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Platform is not a gravity effect. You are trying to apply real life physics. You need to see how similar in game effects act and keep them consistent.
If you put Surge on a payload, she moves with the payload. If she steps onto a hollywood elevator. She moves up. If she steps upon the petal platform, a terrain elevator, she goes up. These are all consistent terrain interactions.
Petal Platform is not a CC, its considered part of the terrain creation exactly like Icewall is considered terrain. You can’t move through it. Just as you move upward with the icewall.
The big thing is I’m curious if Ice Wall lifts a player up against surge. Most of the time, people simply use it like LoS and wall off the orisa rather than trying to lift her upwards.
Shall we talk about how many ults Orisa’s javelin cancels? Or her javelin spin eats?
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i wildly disagree with genjis ult not being cancelled by numerous things. but we are talking about an unstoppable force that is becoming heavier and immune to effects, the weight alone should stop Petal. and then still nothing canceling petal seems fine.
I mean, hack exists as a total counter to petal. Makes it drop like a rock.
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It is ok for orisa since you cant do much more to block it.
Its quick to charge and us a one shot burst ult
The interaction with grav tough…
It takes longer to build a graviton.
It can be eaten/blocked/deflected
And while inside supports and tank abilities can easily save you.
And you and your team have to deal damage as well to make grav work.
So petal should not be able to lift people from a black hole
Not instantly sadly and it would still ruin orisa ulting even if sombra quickly react
the funny part of this post is that Lifeweaver’s teaser trailer SHOWS him doing this to enemy Orisa.
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jesus i get that tank isn’t a popular role, but some of yall are overcorrecting. counterplay is a good thing, orisa shouldn’t be ulting without considering that a LW might ruin their play, like how a cass or soldier player shouldn’t be ulting if dva is still in mech and watching them.
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https://overwatch.fandom.com/wiki/March_7,_2023_Patch#Orisa
Developer Comment: Terra Surge is a channeled ultimate which cannot be interrupted by most abilities, as it gains the same effects as Fortify. While this makes sense for stuns, Sombra’s Hack interrupt shouldn’t be negated and now correctly cancels Terra Surge.
Terra Surge
- Terra Surge can now be interrupted by Hack
Sorry, but no.
This is called a counterplay, and it’s really no different than Ana using her sleep dart on another hero that is performing their ult, or D.VA/Sigma using their abilities to absorb an ult and completely nullify it.
If the enemy team has lifeweaver on it and you feel you must play Orisa, then you will run the risk of having the lifeweaver player use the petal platform to attempt to nullify her ult.
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What’s the counterplay to petal? I mean we get that Sombra counters too much. but why is it so onesided, oh shes shouldn’t counter petal? why not? her kit and changes all mean she should not be able to be lifted, or petal should be greatly hindered due to the sheer weight of her ability form meant to not be moved or lifted. why is it so bad we have one counter to petal that is not the darn sombra. i love how no solid reasoning has come from the side opposed.
@daedraWA
orisa has a potg with a shield so she should get the shields back? or maybe that logic reaper should throw bombs as was one of the early versions pre-release and in cinematic. sorry, but they all have had changes so that is just not a valid argument.
Petal platform interacting with that ult is a very deliberate move on the devs part, they 100% intended for petal platform to be used like that.
The counterplay to platform is to keep an eye on when LW uses it OR have our team shoot/hack/otherwise obliterate it. It is a similar situation with immortality field. We need to track when it has been used before we ult.
I know, easier said than done when it comes to the visual overload that is OW, but it is possible.
where do you base this information on? you have an inside scoop? and tbh they have terrible decisions, upon terrible decisions s0o I would not bank on that, also with your logic they would never rework or change heroes, so really makes your point.
good old counterwatch excuse. sure counterplay, but what is the counter other than hack? I mean a shield? sleep dart? magnetic grenade? a spear? block? what ability other than hack counters petal? Orisas fortify SHOULD counter it. just saying oh look out and track is not a true counter it is just good gameplay.
part of the problem with overwatch and the counterwatch mentality is a lack of consistency. so let’s say genji ultimate, he can be slowed but it doesn’t stop. if you stun him he comes out and still has his ultimate, unlike stunning a mcree whose ultimate is completely stopped when interrupted. we also have this problem with projectiles and deaths, some still go some disappear. You still lack a reasonable articulation reason why petal should not be countered by orisa.