im talking about the good orisa players that disengage when they need to and magically have a moira and kiri up their **** at all times, how do you lose when you, the orisa is in this situation
You swap to Zarya or you basically throw the match because Orisa has no weaknesses outside of not being able to defend against beams.
You run a comp that can ignore the orisa, or long range poke. The lack of mobility is her weakness. She is good against dive, and has no hard counters, that is why everyone plays her.
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If they fortify first then I will typically use my spin ability to deny incoming damage during her fortify effect. The less value they get out of fortifying the better. When fortify is finally on cooldown, I will either throw a javelin or wait for her to spin and then throw the javelin to cancel her spin.
If they cancel my spin with a javelin during fortify then that’s 2 abilities down, for the price of 1, and I still have my fortify and javelin available to come back and apply pressure when her fortify is gone.
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How about Zen discord? Makes Orisa quite squishy. Kiri can’t keep Discord off forever given the CD timer gap.
Mirror match, Zen discord, high damage like Bastion.
All Orisa can generally do defensively is mitigate damage. She can’t outright destroy damage like a shield can preventing all incoming damage. This means she’s tied to the hip of her supports.
Healing is most effective with damage reduction, so in many cases your main desire is to remove her backline’s ability to heal Orisa and have something on hand which can keep strong damage on Orisa.
Having 1 or 2 people distracting or trying to take out the supports to keep them busy as well as having one unit applying constant and heavy damage to Orisa is most ideal. Either the whole team can go massive delete the tank or go all dive. Even a mixture works.
Echo, S76, Reaper, and Bastion are all devastating DPS options into Orisa for the sheer damage spam they output. Zenyatta/Ana are a bit of an annoying combo because of the anti-heal and extra damage.
Dive tanks are excellent ways to cut off healing to Orisa such as Sigma and Winston. Bubbling an Orisa is many times death for her. Bubbling the supports. Putting shield behind Orisa or and other things. Along with simply blocking her damage.
There really are quite a good deal of ways to get at Orisa, but she is a bit of a wall to have to get around which is why she’s okay and even near the 40% WR back during Mauga’s release which is why they even buffed her dmg in the first place.