I have been playing a ton of Open Queue recently and have been getting into debates around whether 3Tank/2Supports or 4Tank/1Support is best!
Just looking for opinions on what people think is the best Strategy and possible tier-list of Tanks and Supports.
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It is going to depend. I know it is a cheap answer, but their composition and playstyle is going to dictate whether you need the second healer or not.
On paper, I would say 4 tank is more optimal. Especially if one of them is Hog.
In practice there is going to be a lot of variance.
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it would largely depend on if they can sustain with only 1 support.
typically though you run lucio regardless for the speed boost.
so lucio+kiriko for instance then rein dva zarya and you could potentially have goats 2.0
only downside is that kiriko cannot cleave heal like moira, but her cleanse can save you from big anti’s.
someone will go “why not hog” and the reason is because between rein’s armor ratio and his barrier, zarya bubbles, lucio boops, dva’s matrix and kiriko’s cleanse that hog aint killing anyone. hogs greatest strength is he can 1 tap squishies and kill targets like winston pretty easily. but a ow2 goats comp ‘should’ be too beefy for him to play in. how is he goin too hook and kill anyone if u are also running dva.
that being said, an argument could be made for sigma to be thrown in there, but tbh since open queue is largely a meme-pool its hard to know what exactly would be hard meta there. could even have two different ow2 goats comps.
a brawl and a poke.
a poke comp would probably use orisa+sigma+ramattra maybe, this variant could potentially even be the counter too the brawl version since, ramtarra’s nem form pierces through DM and all barriers, and the poke from orisa+sig+ram would break that rein barrier really fast leaving him vulnerable if they try and rush you.
you could sit here and theory craft this for days honestly.
2 tanks 1 dps 2 supports or 3 tanks 2 support maybe
See I lean towards 3T2S with Lucio + Kiriko. Speed is valuable and sound barrier is great for all the massive ults. However, in that situation I think you need a strong combo of Tank Ult. Basically DvA bomb + Either Rein Shatter, Grav.
Though I have lost to 4T + Moira before as that comp. Also beat it.
Sigma is interesting. I assumed he would be terrible since you just speed up to him and focus fire but his Damage is nuts + 2 forms of damage mitigation esp Grasp is so valuable.
the way you kinda have to look at these comps is which one “counters” the 1-2-2 meta we have in role queue.
because thats how goats was formed. the original goats comp (rein-dva-zarya-lucio-brig-moira) was built to be this undiveable comp that could rush people down. but once that settled they swapped moira out for zen and you had “zen goats” and this is what was being played in the OWL for a good while.
so what comp would beat roadhog-sojourn-lucio-kiriko-2nddps.
in my opinion it would start with a 2tank 3support comp; something like lucio-zen-kiriko with orisa+dva. a comp designed to render hog defenseless and blow him up you’d have discord orb+orisa bullying him and then lucio+dva+kiriko dmg on top of all of that. and dva matrix to block his dmg.
but after that you’d need to build a comp that could survive something that burned down a hog. which is where i think rein-zarya-dva-lucio-kiriko would maybe come into play. they’d have enough “beef” that it might be able too rush down the first comp but its questionable if they would have enough healing to sustain.
if not the brawl variant, the poke one might work better since you could just poke for ults then run over the two tanks.
without testing it its hard to say if lucio+kiriko would be able to sustain 3 tanks against even the standard role queue comp, let alone the orisa-dva-zen comp.
old goats relied heavily on the aoe healing from brig to keep the team topped off, with only 2 supports you might even need to swap kiriko out for a bap or moira to keep the team alive which means you’d lose kitsune and idk if that trade off is worth it.
As long as there are 0 dps youre good to go 