Open Queue is destroyed

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You seem to have massively misjudged people’s reasons for enjoying Open Queue… People play it to get away from Widowmaker dominance. The pure ridiculousness of Sojourn… The massively game determining power of a Mercy pocketted Pharah/Sojourn/Any Hitscan.

NONE OF THOSE THINGS EXISTED IN OPEN QUEUE. They could not be played because the impact of them vs tanks is small in comparison to their impact against DPSers and supports. People played this mode to get away from Blizzard’s terrible game changes, “balance”, and style of play.

You’ve completely destroyed that. There is now no way at all to avoid Sojourn, Kuriko, Widowmaker, Mercy pockets. They’re now stronger in open queue than they are in role queue. It’s absurd.

The amount of people complaining about DPS “not being viable” in Open Queue was far smaller than the MAJORITY OF OPEN QUEUE PLAYERS who played the mode to get away from this kind of garbage balancing that you’ve enforced in role queue. You’ve catered to the few, to annoy the many, as you always do.

It’s not the issue of actual Open Queue players that some role queue DPS came into an open queue lobby, played Sojourn and got steamrolled instead of being the absolute deciding factor in the lobby that they are used to. You can’t even act like DPS wasn’t viable. Sure the “meta” was to play 3/4 tanks (Any of the tanks, by the way, they were ALL perfectly viable, unlike in Role Queue where only 2 tanks are good at any time)… 4 of the top 10 Open Queue ranked players were DPS 1 tricks. Playing Ashe, Junkrat, Hanzo, Pharah, Echo, Tracer, SOMBRA, Mei and Torb… You could make the argument that more DPS heros were viable in Open Queue than in Role Queue, where 2-3 DPS scompletely reign supreme over the rest of the roster.

Support in open queue? Best pick? Kuriko right? Mercy? Wroooong… The 2 best supports were Moira and Lucio. Ana would be next, then Bap and Kuriko.

Open queue, was a mode where the 2 most broken heroes perhaps to EVER EXIST IN THE GAME, Kuriko and Sojourn, were not only not 100% must-picks. But were actually detrimental to your team… The game mode is different, it’s a different playstyle, it’s a different kind of pace of game and you’ve absolutely destroyed it without thinking of what you’re doing to cater, again, to some little moaning idiots who endlessly get their own way.

Blizzard, you need to take a look at yourself. You’re blitzing your own game and now it’s not only in role queue, you’ve destroyed the place where people went in this game to get away from YOU.

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Then maybe you guys should have been on social media because the narrative of literally every community was absolutely dominated by people hating OQ due to all the tanks. Naturally people are going to be more vocal when they’re negative but there was virtually zero support of the status quo before this patch dropped.

This is coming from someone with no opinion on OQ whatsoever.

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I mean IDK about you. but all tanks was annoying.

Not that i’m complaining. I play sym in open queue and if you have a support player who realises that pocketing sym vs tanks = free win, then its just a free win every game.

People who relied on tank spam were bad anyway lol, especially because its bufed tanks for OW2

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Imagine listening to somebody posting on Social Media instead of actually speaking to Open Queue players.

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What, do you expect devs to just DM you in-game? If you aren’t on twitter, reddit, the forums, or even discord chat rooms, how the hell else are they supposed to get your input? Gallup polls? What is this, the 1980s?

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Zenyatta will be absolute king in OQ.

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Wait, you’re telling me Blizzard doesn’t send surveymen to your location to ask about your opinion on the state of OQ? Preposterous.

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I find it funny that some people are trying to blame this OQ tank change on RQ players. I don’t care what goes on in OQ. Why would I when I’m not even playing the mode.

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Arcade mode is DEAD now, as well as open role.
This is the worst update i ever experienced in Overwatch.
Just remove the tanks they arent tanks anymore.
Blizzard what have you done?!
Definetly NO BATTLE PASS.

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People usually don’t go onto social media to say they are enjoying a game unless they are an influencer or something. They just quietly play the game and have fun.

Coming back to the game, I used open queue to try new heroes with little pressure that the whole team would be counting on me as a tank. No point in that now. Not even going to bother with the mode anymore. Even mystery heroes is tarnished for me now.

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Tanks were broken outside of RQ

Nerfing them was a good move

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nerfing tank hp in Open queue is partially the right choice. Reducing it by 150 across the board is not.

Idk what they were thinking balancing tanks by reducing hp by so much all at one time.

If anything I think longer cooldowns would have been nice combined with a 50-100 hp reduction to tanks. Then go from there and see how it is.

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Widowmaker can oneshot Junkerqueen and almost Zarya. Mei and Reaper have more survivability than Winston. Doom who used to be a formidable pick? Pretty much useless.

All they did is make tank stacking in the mode even more necessary. JQ can’t solo tank with 300hp. She NEEDS a Zarya or Sigma by her side and etc.

Support in that mode used to be so much fun. Tanks were beefy so you could actually do more than just healbot. Now though, if you’re not constantly pumping resources into the tanks, they get melted. Where I was regularly getting 2k-3k damage as Kiriko in a 10 minute match, now I just don’t have time to do anything but spam M2.

Despite what most people complained about, OQ quickplay was rarely 3 or 4 tanks battling it out. It happened occasionally, sure, but that’s sort of the point of the mode. If you look at my last 10 matches vs the last 10 matches pre-nerf, you’ll see the dominant meta was 2 tanks (over 300 matches logged).

|BEFORE NERFS|AFTER NERFS|
|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|
|1-2-2 vs 2-3-0|2-0-3 vs 2-1-2|
|2-1-2 vs 2-1-2|2-1-2 vs 1-2-2|
|2-1-2 vs 2-1-2|2-1-2 vs 4-0-1|
|1-2-2 vs 2-2-1|2-1-2 vs 0-3-2|
|2-1-2 vs 1-2-2|2-2-1 vs 1-2-2|
|2-1-2 vs 1-2-2|2-1-2 vs 2-1-2|
|2-1-2 vs 2-1-2|2-2-1 vs 1-3-1|
|1-2-2 vs 1-2-2|2-1-2 vs 2-1-2|
|1-2-2 vs 1-2-2|2-1-2 vs 2-2-1|
|2-2-1 vs 2-1-2|2-1-2 vs 2-1-2|

And that remains the same so far. All that’s happened is it’s made solo tanking almost a joke and it’s made several tanks feel like squishies, not to mention forcing supports to become babysitters.

Changes might have been needed for maybe mystery heroes where you can’t control your hero picks and a few of the arcade modes, but I don’t think this was the right was to go regardless.

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People who are enjoying the game are playing it instead of complaining. The forums, reddit, twitter etc are a very loud and very, VERY small fraction of the player base and shouldn’t be taken seriously in any capacity.

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Yes, this is well understood. But I don’t think you understand the pure totality of complaints. This wasn’t a big debate where the angrier minority won out. There was no debate at all because as far as anyone could tell you didn’t even exist until today.

Everyone knows that forums are generally filled with negativity because content players are more likely to just play the game, but developers aren’t psychics. They look at forum feedback with a jaundiced eye but when that feedback is universal they can’t just assert that a secret majority likes the feature and just coincidentally has zero representation on the forum and other social media.

This is different from stuff like the 1HL or RQ implementation. Those debates raged on for months at a time. This had literally universal consensus here. Not the exact 150 HP nerf mind you (that’s kind of stupid and lazy IMO), but the idea of nerfing tanks specifically in OQ.

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I’ve posted many time in defense of OQ on this forum, and so have many others. You not seeing them doesn’t mean they don’t exist.

These posts get instantly buried because the people who hate tanks - aka the people the devs listen to and are the reason the game has been bombing for ages now - don’t have any defense when you say ‘I like tanks and enjoy when they’re good, leave the only fun gamemode to me alone and just play RQ’.

PS I haven’t played S3 so I have no opinion on the state of it, but your post is dumb.

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I feel like I can play arcade, without that I need to stack tanks to win. Always remember: OQ is not a core mode. It should not even be competitive at this point. It belongs in arcade like DM and mystery heroes. The changes to the tanks made all modes much more enjoyable.

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Uh no? What am I reading? Bro role que was literally the only mode I could play dps without putting my team at a disadvantage or getting hate messages for playing dps. Nerfing tanks in open que modes was the best thing blizzard has ever done. It was either that or blizzard forcing a role que on every single mode in the game which I think would have been far worse. The only dps thats causing a lot of trouble is widow because she can one shot tanks, that right there I think is a problem. I never understood why widow even deals 300 in damage when hanzo only does a max of 250. Not to mention shes a hitscan so she gets to be as consistent as she wants one tapping tanks left and right. 175 was not enough of a nerf to widow, blizzard needs to seriously look into widow.

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i stopped playing oq since ow2… their fix is not a fix for openq… its a lazy change made by clowns dressed up as devs.

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thats not your call to decide where it belongs. it was popular enough to give it a ranked mode so stop spamming nonsense all day, even mystery heroes is not popular enough to get ranked.