I’ve been paying attention for quite some time now. In comp or qp - 9 times out of 10 if you win the first match, you lose the second, and win the last. Or, you lose the first match, win the second, and lose the last. Like I said, not EVERY time but 9/10 times. It seems something is rigged to me.
We are talking about comp here yeah? because my experience is that people leave more often than the team actually losing
Why do people find it so hard to accept that you can’t win every match?
yes, blizzard cares so much about YOU PERSONALLY they would rig YOUR winrate.
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How is it rigged? You’re put in a random game with 11 other people who are also randomly picked (unless you’re in a group)
It’s not random. They use a hidden matchmaking rating to make matches, and most likely teams, to try and force an even match.
Random would be better though. This crap is rigged as hell and makes playing the game long term pretty pointless, because if you’re really feeling it… it doesn’t matter. Your MMR goes up, but your influence on the NEXT match is canceled out as they try to make it “even.”
The biggest scam in gaming that Blizz has people thinking these matches are random.
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This is true, you can not win every match, it’s literally impossible, but when you’re losing between 70-80% of your matches then something’s wrong.
And sometimes it may be you underperfoming, but a lot of times I find it’s that the game seems to intentionally place you against people you honestly can’t win against. That is unless you play flawlessly and basically have perfect chemistry with your team. Which is also impossible most of the time.
It’s actually the 50/50 win rate thing that causes it, Blizzard’s intended MMR that is supposed to put you into games where you sometimes have a 49/51 winrate and then you flip over to a 51/49. This was supposed to keep you invested in playing thinking that you had some control and that you were getting better.
Not as random as you would probably like to believe. As I mentioned the hidden MMR is supposed to put you up against specifically chosen players dependent on how well you’ve been playing. So if you win 4 games in a row, you’re likely to be put on a team that doesn’t have very good synergy, while the other team likely works well with others.
This was spoken about a lot back when Blizzard announced they were changing the way the MMR theorem worked about a year or so ago (actually I think it was like 2017-2018). A lot of people put out videos explaining how the new theorem worked based on what Blizzard had told the public.
Every now and then a thread like this pops and, I don’t know if you guys actually know, but the definition of fair is that at the start of the game you should have 50% chance to win since your put with and against people that proved themselves to the system that they belong alongside with you (unless you are on your first 50 comp games, which the system is still trying to position you, so you might win or lose more SR depending on how you perform).
Since you’re being put against opponents that were (or are being) placed similarly to you, it’s only fair that the odds are 50/50 and that the performance of the team as a whole drives the balance of the fights. There are many reasons to win and lose a game in Overwatch. Rigged matchmaking is not one of them.
Also good to remember, once you start winning, your SR/MMR increases and then you’ll have to prove yourself against harder opponents to climb more. At the same time, if you lose, you’ll be placed against easier opponents since they weren’t good enough to climb to where you were. Every win you get will and should put you against harder opponents. That’s how a ladder system works.
It’s not that I find it hard to accept to win or lose. I’m talking about the PATTERN. Please re-read my original post.
If matchmaking truly puts you in a game with people at and around your skill level, you should be getting 50:50 W:L rates, and you SHOULD have win and loss streaks where you couldn’t do any more than you did.
This is incredibly confusing.
How do you think they rig your game mid-match???
They try to make a match 50% chance to win for both teams but they do not put 12 similar skilled players in the same game. They try to balance both teams with good and bad players. They sometimes don’t even care if your SR is close. For example I have seen silvers and diamonds in the same game before.
This isn’t always true. Sometimes increasing your SR/MMR simply gives you worse teammates instead of harder opponents. Or you can get easier or harder games depending on how the system estimates your MMR, often resulting in long win/loss streaks. If it overestimates your skill, you can get impossible games in gold where you are supposed to carry against smurfs. If it underestimates your skill, you can get easy free wins in diamond with smurfs on your team.
The way you describe the ladder is how it should and would work if they got rid of MMR.
Not necessarily rigged at mid-match. What I don’t understand is why the pattern as I stated. 9/10 ten times if you win the first you lose the second and win the last --or-- lost the first win the second and lose the last. I see this happen to me over and over and over again.
Are you talking about best of 3 KoTH maps? If so, I find that true on Nepal only. For some reason the team that wins on Temple always seems to lose the other 2. I see lots of 2-0’s on any of the other maps.
Groups do that to balance. Also, having less people queueing at that moment can do that too.
The game is balanced around the team power, not the individual power.
On your first 50 games, that’s true, since your MMR is still getting estimated.
Smurfs are ‘playing around’ the ladder, they shouldn’t be taken into account when talking about the fairness of the system, since it’s against the TOS to intentionally underperform to place lower.
MMR is what makes almost every ladder system work. SR is just a no brainer way to describe the MMR (after your first 50 comp games).
That’s why you actually need to play 50 games every season to be placeable on top 500. It’s a way to guarantee your SR is aligned with your MMR.