Please remove them below Diamond. More often than not I can tell you what type of map is being played based on the bans. Not because people ban whats good on those maps… no they pick whats bad.
Havana? Ignore snipers. Zarya, Torb, Junkrat, sym… thats whats getting banned. Good pharmacy map? Ban hitscans and leave Mercy and Pharah. Good Orisa map? Ban Zarya. Good DVa map? ban Zarya.
Bad map for Sombra? 100% have to ban her. At these ranks I think people just pick whatever they “think” is META or what they personally don’t like. No strats just mindless throwing their own games.
The stats linked by the OW team also show that people are constantly banning DPS and Tanks. Problem is tanks have very few choices to begin with and trying to play counterwatch as a tank when you can’t counter because there are not enough good tanks to cover the possible issues.
You can’t ban all close range dps. You can’t ban all snipers or hitscans… but you sure can ban every beam tank hero.
Also Supports are still the most powerful characters(as shown by their long queue times) and yet somehow they are rarely getting banned. Maybe there shouldn’t be a system the role with the least players in general and in a match (5v5) gets their heros deleted by more powerful roles that have access to more counters? I’d bet money you would see far more Zen, Ana, Kiri and Brig bans if tanks have more weight in the votes.
Meta is only relevant when both teams can have different bans. If you don’t ban the op meta characters, then your team is at disadvantage.
So, meta is not relevant to the current ban system, because the same bans are applied to both teams : When meta characters are not banned, then just play the meta characters without any disadvantages.
No. If the best counters to a specific comp get banned and one team plays that comp and the other doesn’t… GG.
This happens constantly. For example 4 stack banned Zarya and then played a comp that is great into Zarya so the ban was worthless for them. Problem is the other team played a comp that is afraid of Zarya. So my team screwed themselves for no reason other than they don’t know what they are doing… None of them are tanks and that makes it worse. They don’t know what is good on what maps (apparently) and then us tank players have to deal with whatever is left.
I have also watched a lot of people ban their teams heros. That is a straight up throw. If the other team bans your hero well that sucks… do your best but if YOUR team bans them? Practice roll outs imo.
I have an alt in Plat where I play heroes I do not usually play and man the bans I see there are ridiculous and shameful. The other day had a Dva who banned MOIRA, Rein and Sombra while leaving Zarya open. For some odd reason Zarya did not get banned and the enemy proceeded to play her and absolutely decimate her and everyone else. I told her “you deserve it”.
I too used to think that bans should not exist in elos below Diamond but after seeing what type of heroes those elso ban and how they do not put a single strategical or map dependent thought behind it (just like in their own gameplay) they should have hero bans. Stupidity needs to be punished.
Down in plat, I have a pretty good track record when it comes to getting Widow banned on those maps, but even if I didn’t: if most people in the lobby really, really want to ban Sombra instead of Widow and Freja, then who the heck is any one person to tell them otherwise?
It doesn’t matter what rank someone is at the game, they deserve to have fun playing it regardless. Let’s please not go back on that out of video game snobbery.
They are idiots. That one person should probably be given conservatorship over them. How old are you that you still havent fogured out thay most people are stupid sheep
Ok, here are my thoughts, as one of those who don’t know what they’re doing, apparently (I’m mid silver) :
It’s true that in low ranks, I think the vast majority of people just ban the heroes they don’t wanna fight, irregardless of their overall strength, or their particular strength on particular maps. It makes sense, in a way : when you’re playing in low ranks, Widows are rarely a very menacing threat, while beams heroes and spam heroes are, and Sombra always is a threat. So it’s not completely illogical or stupid to ban those heroes instead of the ones who, in higher ranks and in better hands, would make much more sense.
That’s true, and I understand and agree that that is an issue. Maybe a way around that would be to say : “look, there’s only one tank in each team, so you can only ban one, not two”. I don’t know. Maybe it would help.
In my experience, in lower ranks, the longest queue times are for dps, not support. By far. My queue times as a support are actually much shorter than when I wanna play dps. That’s the actual truth in lower ranks.
And supports are rarely getting banned in lower ranks because they rarely pose a very direct threat to 4 out of 5 players in the team. Or at least, the threat is lower than that of dps or tank heroes. So again, it makes sense that supports wouldn’t often be banned (though Mercy, Moira and Ana do get their fair share of bans, in my experience).
As for supports being the “most powerful characters”, that is simply an opinion based on your feelings (as a tank, probably, considering the content of your message), and not a fact. Tanks are, factually, the most powerful heroes in 5v5 : larger health pool by far, strongest CDs with multiple effects, good sustained dps and very strong mitigation. They can easily delete 1 or 2 (and sometimes more) other heroes of other roles without any help, and with little those other roles can do. They may not feel that strong, because they have 5 people to face and not 1-2, but factually, they’re the most powerful nonetheless.
If by “powerful characters”, you mean “heroes that are harder to delete as a tank because they have some self healing or invulnerability”, then yes, I understand your point
That’s because support heroes have, quite often, powerful abilities to push back tanks, while a lot of dps heroes don’t. Ana and Zen are the most obvious in that sense, and that’s precisely why they’re banned A LOT in higher ranks. A lot of the time, supports are the ones who keep extremely powerful and oppressive tanks in check so that they cannot simply wreack havoc on the enemy team. Maybe you don’t like that because you play tank a lot, but that’s the truth. Now, I understand the frustration for a tank. But if you wanna lower the “power” of supports, then you also need to lower the power of tanks overall, and of some of them in particular. And by power, I mostly mean firepower. Because I think tanks should be strong and resilient and able to sustain a lot of damage, but they shouldn’t have high firepower on top, just enough to pose a threat, but not enough to delete people easily the way some tanks do.
you’re basically complaining that rank X plays like they’re in rank X and not in rank X + 1. does that make sense to you? if you don’t like it, just don’t be rank X.
That’s why people were asking for bans in the first place - Sombra, Zarya and Ana were the big meanies, so just get rid of them.
Yup and 5v5 only reinforces the issue. in 6v6 you can play D.Va into Zarya cause the other tank is gonna keep her busy and you go after the Widow. In 5v5 you go D.Va into Zarya and you get “tank diff”.
