So your plan for victory is to play the lottery, stay in her los and hope that she misses? No, we dont take those risks
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Funny how the dumbest strats work in gold therefore theyâre expected to work against people who donât play like bots
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Ok so you are Bronze, good to know. Also, how did you manage to stay in Bronze in OW2 after everyone got pushed into Silver and Gold for engagement reasons? That mustâve taken some real skill, about just as much skill as getting a kill on Widow I do believe. You should meet AKJ, you two would love eachother.
Oh itâs very easy to fix, just lower high hp/s (Ana / Juno / Moira) heroes down to Mercy / Zen hp/s, remove the DPS passive, add a new global passive that gives a healing amp of like +50% (+75% for tanks) after 10 (or maybe 7-ish) seconds of not taking damage and boom! Youâve fixed the problem that TF2 solved almost 2 decades ago.
Iâm not gonna touch the s9 health changes or the regen because they would theoretically go away with the re-introduction of 6v6 (or the health regen will return in a reduced capacity.)
Also increase the cooldowns of immortalities by like 20%.
It certainly is uniquely unfair and unbalanced in the grand scheme of the rest of the gameâs hero interactions iâll give you that
If youâre able to keep a an eye on her (i.e. consistently be peeking her without getting punished for it) then you donât play in a high enough ELO to be making balance decisions.
Youâd be right at home in the actual balance team though, judging by some of their recent patches.
You were saying that re-implementing 6v6 would solve the problems that Widow causes, instead of simply removing the source of those problems. Youâre (only partially) treating the symptoms, not the disease by ONLY moving back to 6v6 and not removing Widowâs skill-less free one-shot.
If you arenât smart enough to understand what I meant with that comment you DEFINITELY shouldnât be making game balance proposals if you canât even read.
we all know what the devs like to play, makes sense right?
Okay youâre just a complete goon lol. What a boring person to have a discussion with. All you do is cry emotionally in an aggressive way that makes you sound like you know what youâre talking about. You just want to dumpster Widow, and if the devs read this, they will realize it immediately. I hope you never get what you want, and I wish you many Widowmaker one-tricks in all your future matches. Merry Christmas!
Seems like a bit of projection methinks :
Hmm⌠maybe itâs because I actually know what iâm talking about, Iâve presented boatloads of evidence in this thread while youâve presented none, and given you the benefit of the doubt before talking down to you for being an idiot? Nah⌠it canât be that, right?
Yes because sheâs fundamentally broken. If âdumpsteringâ her to you means bringing her down to the power level of every other hero in the game, thatâs exactly what I want. Good job! You were correct about something! Here, have a lollipop! 
Assuming the devs read this forum is another example of how myopic and moronic you are. They wonât see a thing about your flimsy justification of âbuh⌠whuh⌠widow take skill because headshot! And headshot take skill! Grug say so!â either if that makes you feel any better. Honestly iâm surprised you can feel anything at all if sitting in a corner holding down a sightline is the peak of excitement this game has to offer for you.
Widow has had her 1-tap from the very start of OW1. She keeps barrier tanks relevant, punishes predictable, linear, or non-cover movement, shuts down endless support sustain, and kills otherwise near-unhittable hyper-mobile targets. Yes, she is very frustrating to play against when the sole tank insist on diving her while she is being protected by her entire team.
Despite all the problems she causes (especially on long maps), she is still a necessary evil â otherwise OW just becomes another damage vs. heals tug of war with no end in sight. She keeps the game exciting and dynamic, forcing most opponents to close the gap via coordinated dive, hunker down with barriers, or counter-snipe to get range parity. She is difficult to play consistently because she demands so much precision aim, but at T500 and above, most players have this prerequisite.
PS: The DEVS largely abandoned this forum because of its ultra-toxic posters. They now post on X (Twitter) since that platform reaches a much larger audience.
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You must have a lot of friends. You seem like such a warm and wholesome person. I appreciate you showing your behind on here. Itâs very enlightening to the nature of some humans. All over a video game by the way.
Thank you. Finally someone with sense. Some people are so blinded by hatred they lost their sense long ago and stamp their feet like children.
Again, projection and moral panic.
Claiming someone has to behave the same way in two vastly different contexts because itâs âin their natureâ is certainly an interesting thing to do if youâre trying to make the case that youâre not a butthurt buffoon trying to save face.
Iâm having fun with this debate, arenât you?
Oh right, haha, youâre being proven wrong! Of course youâre bitter lmao!
Iâm not butthurt at all. Iâm genuinely shocked by your behavior and itâs hard to take you seriously as a person. Iâm almost upset I gave you a chance at the start since it became this nonsense.
Nerfing Widowâs oneshot without removing it, and still keeping her relevant is very easy.
- Revert projectile size buff (S9 HP and projectile size changes should be reverted anyway).
- Nerf charge rate.
- Revert damage fall-off from 50-70 to 40-60.
- Introduce scope flare (similar to how Soujournâs Railgun works).
Damage fall-off and scope flare are the most notable of these.
Damage fall-off requires Widow to position ever so slightly more aggressively (for more heroes to potentially interact).
Scope flare gives you warning to take cover, dodge or shoot her before she shoots you. It would also nerf her ability to use unexpected angles.
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Iâm pretty sure this new season did revert them or at least made the hitboxes smaller again? Unless Iâm mistaken.
I have no issues with a glint.
From 0.05 to 0.04. Before S9, hitscan had no size and was just a point.
Oh I see. I wonder how much the difference is. Iâm not sure how to visualize that.
No, but believe it or not most Widow players miss shots meaning you can move between cover if you do so in a way that makes them miss or doesnât give them time to aim
They arenât robots, they are people
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Just because itâs always been there doesnât mean it belongs. Poor justification to start things off.
Barrier tanks will be played regardless due to how strong barriers are against most heroes.
Ah yes, itâs very predictable to want to peek anything at all ever in this objective-based game.
Maybe we wouldnât NEED her one-shot to do that if we just, yâknow, nerfed the support sustain?
So youâre claiming itâs easy to hit highly mobile targets with a hitscan one-shot, even without movement acceleration. Well then, at least youâre being somewhat reasonable. That role can be filled by other hitscans and heroes with fast-moving projectiles, all of whom are more healthy for the game.
Again, if supports and sustain were nerfed this wouldnât be a problem and Widowâs one-shot wouldnât need to exist to counter it.
Ah yes, the exciting dynamic gameplay of standing still behind a wall waiting for your tank to do something about the Widow, or consistently getting punished for diving the hero thatâs supposed to be weak at close range. Even you disagree with yourself in your own statement :
I would hardly describe hunkering down behind a barrier or countersniping as âexcitingâ or âdynamicâ.
She requires objectively less precision aim than every other hero in the game and gets more value for it : see earlier in the thread for more details on that.
Mathematically, it is infinitely larger than it was before S9.
As for a comparison between 0.05 and 0.04, im sure somebody will do the graphic on it before long.
Unless youâre an OW League player, no one is hitting every single shot to the point where you absolutely canât traverse the map at all. If youâre playing at that level, learn a new hero at that point if the one youâre on isnât working against Widow. Thatâs such a niche place for majority of the playerbase.
Itâs an internet forum. Grow up. If youâre being an idiot iâll call you one because thatâs what you deserve.