I totally and wholeheartedly agree. There are a lot of people who will play multiple roles, but why play Support if there’s not really anything new about it? The hardcore support only players/one tricks were probably the only ones queueing for the role because of it. Add a new support and everything changes.
People just want variety & new things. Supports haven’t gotten a new hero in almost 4 years. Adding the fox support will make a lot of people play the role.
OW2 was screwed the moment the early October 4th 2022 release date was decided. Devs had less than a year to redo the PVP experience resulting in many poorly thought out decisions. It truly feels like the sequel plan has been constantly changing and strung along by a handful of managers running damage control.
Except the beta 2 was only 3 weeks’ long thus rendering your “logic” invalid for the umpteenth time. If the beta was longer do you think people would have been as interested in playing Junkerqueen after 3 weeks? “I’ll answer for you, no, they wouldn’t have.”
Even if the prediction you pulled out of nowhere was true (spoiler: it ain’t), there are 6+ months between ‘Foxgirl’ and the next Support hero (yes, the part of my post which you conveniently ignored). So…no.
The beta lasting 3 weeks does not render my logic invalid… the fact of the matter is that a new support will turn queue times on their heads.
When I’m right and queue times are better with a new support all the way up until another new support comes out, please @ me 
This won’t be some temporary thing where Support queue times are only long at launch & for a couple weeks after & then support queues go back to instant again. Lots of people will want to play support once there’s something finally new to actually play
There are two Overwatch 1 patches in the works - 1.73 (presumably Anniversary Remix 3 which pre-downloaded today) and 1.74 which has showed up elsewhere on Battle.net.
So there’s at least one more thing planned for Overwatch 1 between now and October.
Because they already tricked us into paying for the last one. You think THESE devs are going to do anything else since we won’t pay for another one??
So you think bad queue times for an entire month after launch won’t cause hardly anybody to not join or quit.
But buffing Supports will. And that buffing Supports is this obscene threat we need to worry about, despite it probably not making the game as Defense oriented as OW1, and “preventing 3+ Supports on a team” being a non-issue for Role Queue.
Tbh, I legit haven’t seen any gameplay arguments for why buffing Supports to be contribute more to Objectives Captures/Defences than DPS would be a problem.
Other than people just emphatically declaring it would be a problem, and using buzzwords like “unbalanced” and “broken”.
As if Supports being more valuable than DPS somehow gives DPS less hero choices.
? halo infinite is still popular
To keep it simple, overpowered heroes are obnoxious to play against & also makes people quit.
If Tank & DPS players are going against OP Brig, OP Zen, OP Moira, OP Bap, OP Ana, OP Lucio, OP Mercy & OP Fox girl and enemies aren’t dying and/or supports are more lethal than DPS and/or headaches for tanks then people are going to quit the game in droves very quickly, all just because we wanted to overbuff supports because we weren’t sure a new support would make people want to play the role, which it will, especially once progression is unlocked and playing the game actually earns you stuff unlike the beta.
My thoughts are, why do that? Why not see what the first new support in 4 years does for the role and then make changes if needed? If people are going to quit the game altogether and not come back because they only play support heroes when they’re OP then they aren’t going to stay around anyways… You don’t break the game to try to keep players around. If players need their heroes to be OP to enjoy the game they’re going to leave regardless once they’re nerfed. Cya! 
those players are not reliable or worth breaking balance for.
It really is not. For a F2P game of an established franchise it is ridiculously unpopular and it is entirely the fault of the developers who in now 9 months have put out 2 maps and that is it in terms of content with an already low showing of maps when the game launched. It is amazing how much Microsoft and 343 bungled the release of Halo Infinite because the gameplay was very well received when it launched.
It makes perfect sense. The betas were nothing more than making people think they had input and a cash grab.
So basically you got zero gameplay reasons, just that it violates an atheistic sensibility.
And yes, no doubt it would get some people to quit. But the idea that “Hey, an entire month of bad queue times at launch won’t bother anybody, but Supports having a little bit more healing or a little bit more firepower. And then the game is THE SKY IS FALLING, SHUT OFF YOUR BRAIN, BUZZWORD BUZZWORD BUZZWORD”.
Also it’s not like I’m asking for Supports to have MORE lethality than DPS. Or for the game overall to have MORE composition durability than Overwatch 1.
Like seriously, if all you you is slippery slope analogies, and circular logic of “Why would it be bad? Because it’s another word that also means bad”. Like for real dude. That’s a pretty sloppy argument.
But again, the biggest thing, is that your entire argument hinges on bad queue times during the launch window of PVP being basically zero threat. Therefore anything else that causes any amount of players to quit is worse.
Which
So it’s not a question of “How do we get zero players to quit”. It’s a question of “How to we get the fewest amount of players to quit”. In addition to “How do we get the largest amount of players to join”.
And if nearly all the competitors FPS titles and pre-rolequeue former Overwatch players are used to 2 minute queue times. And then you give them 15 minute queue times. They will bail.
Especially since this Gundam Overwatch clone looks like it will be Open Queue, so it won’t have that queue time issue.
Huh??? OP heroes being obnoxious to play against is precisely a gameplay reason…
Yeah but OP doesn’t actually mean anything beyond “I don’t like it”.
Your logic basically reads
“If Supports contribute more to Objectives Captures/Defends then that would be bad because…another word that also means bad”.
How do you figure that? If Zenyatta did 100 damage per orb is that just “I don’t like it”?
Am I asking to give Supports a 40% increase in firepower?
Do you think making a slippery slope exaggerated strawman, is necessary to prove your point?
What I was suggesting was to give Supports somewhere between 2.5x and 1.5x headshot modifier, but otherwise no change to their bodyshot damage.
But heck, even if we did give Supports more raw firepower, the only requirement would be that they have less firepower than DPS.
For instance, let’s imagine they have Moira a 40% increase in primary fire damage. So she has 70dps, instead of 50dps. Compare that to Soldier with 171dps.
Is the idea that Supports could stand a reasonable chance of winning a disadvantaged battle in a 1v1, in a Class Based Shooter, so reprehensible to you?
Heroes are always overturned on live servers at launch, so we’ll just have to wait for that to balance out naturally. I have faith that the devs can take it from here with all the feedback given over the past months…
I dont think this will work, support is already gigabuff’d. The problem is people are not getting the play experience they are looking for when they queue support. I honestly do not know how blizzard will fix the problem, I’m not sure if they can. I’m guessing their plan is to keep releasing support hero’s with cool new abilities to keep the queue times down but will this work, who knows.
The rumors have been that they have been working on pve these last few years and it is in development hell. The pvp stuff has mostly been done in the last 6 months. I think when they decided to release pvp as a separate game they should have crossed 5v5 off the list. It would be much less work, and much easier to improve 6v6. As it is now we are getting 5v5 for a game built for 6v6, it might have worked but 5v5 is too much work for too little gain.
Well yeah, they started on it in early September 2021, and I posted that they should do that in late August 2021.
Granted this was just before the OWL Team owners were going to have a group meeting with Blizzard staff.
So I was trying to push things forward with a “Hey this is possible”.
And hey go figure, they went with zero Support changes, except for Brig. Which is what I was suggesting, because it would speed up the process a lot.
Well specifically, they’d need to do buffs that are inherently Fun.
I.e. More firepower, more movement, and opportunities for big SoloPlays.
So for instance, maybe instead of 50dps, Moira gets 90dps on bodyshots.