**ALL LUCIO MAINS LISTEN **
This form I’ll try to agree on both sides of today’s discussion on Sombra and Lucio.
With these new changes with Sombra this make Lucio very weak but before these changes though was sombra good??? Well yes and no because if you were a skilled player a sombra can work but if you didn’t sombra would be not the best pick. Was this sombra change necessary??? Yes absolutely because sombra’s gameplay was basically being a secondary healer and hack the health pack to get her EMP the most powerful ability in her kit at the time. With theses changes this made sombra an actual dps and made her gameplay more enjoyable to play as her instead of her as a healer if no one else was going a second healer. The issue with the changes her hack: 1st issue is the faster hack time this was a good thing to due but this leads to my next issue 2nd Her new abilities she can cancel with hack now. I’m not gonna list all of them but it’s was basically all movement plus the this one major change to Lucio none of his songs will play while hacked. This change is a huge nerf to Lucio players due to before if you were hack you were stuck on whatever song you were on but now this makes lucio’s entire kit completely cancelled while hacked. I know their are the arguments like well kill or stop sombra from hacking you in time but with a faster hack causes issues for all players and sombra EMP is not going to be often but it still stops a lucio from ulting to stop them from continuing to push or defend the objective. In conclusion to this. Sombra will be a powerful hero that lucio mains need to worry about but also we need to see in the future that any changes to sombra to help lucio stay a powerful hero in he meta but last question is lucio will be dead??? Of course not lucio is very good but due to things like the use ult and die then lose it, to Moria beam locked on to you and finally sombra hack. Lucio might not be picked often if both Moria and sombra are picked but still if you can be a smart player then lucio can still be viable in these situations so Stay Strong Lucio Mains and Good Luck.
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It’s still really not that bad in comparison to all the other heroes. It makes lucio just like every other hero when hacked. No extra abilities.
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Though to be fair it does make him the only healer who completely loses the ability to…ya know…heal. Mercy can still beam, Ana can still shoot, Zen’s orb doesn’t disappear if it was already on a teammate (unless thats a thing now too), and moira can still use her spray even if she can’t use her orb. He does also have slow moving projectiles so aside from Mercy he’s probably the easiest of the healers to hack with her increased speed.
Sombra certainly needed some help but considering people have been upset for some time about the fact that Blizzard has been nerfing all the support heroes one after the other without any consideration for the fact that the role overall is feeling pretty lackluster at the moment, it does seem like a bit of a slap in the face. Ana still struggles, Mercy is currently usable but not fun, Zen has trouble with how prevalent dive still is and can’t solo heal, Sym is…Sym. That leaves Moira who they haven’t gotten around to fooling with because she launched during the Mercy debacle.
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I could care less about the songs, it is the wallride disable that I really don’t like.
Lucio (and EVERY annoyingly evasive characters out there) have plenty of counters to their movement.
- flashbang
- Mei freeze
- Hitscans with decent aim
- Rein’s hammer (kinda)
- Roadhog’s hook
- Junk’s conq
- Sym (kinda)
And now we have to deal with the Sombra hack too.
No worries though, I’ll adapt to it just like I did with the last indirect nerf.
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I’m actually glad to see this. I was tired of hacking a Lucio being a waste of time.
“Oh, you hacked Lucio but he kept his self-heal aura and his wall riding shenanigans, and then just wall rode off into the sunset, alive and well? Shouldn’t have hacked a Lucio I guess.”
This is only fair, one of the few reliable Lucio counters now.
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I disagree, see my last post.
I was primarily disagreeing with your post specifically, actually.
Glad Lucio gets to feel the hack like the rest of us. Genji too.
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All these responses are pretty reasonable for people who aren’t or who are lucio players. I’m just basing this off what I saw on PTR and ideas I formed from watching and speculating of how sombra effects lucio majorly but I know I can adapt somehow to theses changes I wanted everyone’s views on this matter.
Yeah, I appreciate rational discussion. This is my first day messing around on the Overwatch forum and it has been pretty productive thus far.
Great to see it isn’t just a bunch of cancer.
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I was primarily disagreeing with your post specifically, actually.
Glad Lucio gets to feel the hack like the rest of us. Genji too.
Rest of us? Lucio loses his Secondary Fire (Boop) from hack still.
He gets primary fire, jump, and crouch while hacked. Thats it. Moira can still heal/deal damage, Mercy can still Heal/Attack Boost, Zen can still Primary Fire, Secondary fire, etc.
Lucio gets more taken from him than any other support. Stack that on top of all the other indirect nerfs hes gotten lately it’s getting kind of tiresome.
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It’s not a big deal if I’m wrong or not I can see if I’m just jumping the gun on something and can accept that I was wrong.
He’s an ability centric hero; ability centric heroes are hit harder by Hack than ones who are gun-play centric (like McCree). The fact that he was an ability-based hero who was virtually untouched by hack at all was a mistake that took over a year to rectify.
Losing Boop for 6 seconds was trivial and definitely not worth the effort on the part of any Sombra. He functioned at about 90% effectiveness when hacked, whereas most other heroes lose a good deal more than that.
To reiterate: I’m glad this change happened. Sombra makes perfect sense to be a hard Lucio counter. Long time in coming.
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Yeah I hate people being like oh I’m do this or say this instead of actually discussing or be rational
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Sombra should absolutely NOT hack his current song. There’s being a counter and then there is completely ruining the main role that character fills. The only healer who can’t heal and people think Moira is popular because she’s “op”. Look at the other supports’ state and now Lucio is further in the gutter with ana.
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Yeah this is the 1st forum I’ve made that I wanna discuss with people about
Personally i think it’s fair. What I would like to see though is to heal allies if hit by his primary fire.
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This makes no sense to me. How can you think that such a powerful counter for no risk or skill is good for the game? Hack isn’t some super hard ability to land. It doesn’t require any special thought or painstaking positioning. And it completely guts Lucio. Leaves him with nothing.
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He has his gun and he can move. That’s what other hacked people have. I don’t see the problem.
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can mercy heal when she hacked?