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so who are we balancing for considering your suggesting tracer nerfs where she is only played in high rank but telling me that genji maybe imbalanced for low ranks

you says this as you literally support the faster fire rate over the larger burst damage and slower fire rate

yes but it only helps with damage over a long period of time, he still has bad burst relative to sombra echo tracer

I think what pepper was trying to say is make genjis damage similar to sombra, where her dps can be very strong when maximized with headshots and optimal range, but pretty bad otherwise when used for mostly bodyshots and most of the spread isn’t hitting

this is also a nerf to his poke, sombra has to get pretty close to maximize her damage against tanks and would help genji do the same

don’t complain when devs continue to buff him when he underperforms :man_shrugging:

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Sigma feels better to play, that is a good thing. Zarya also got a slight nerf, so at least you don’t get completely obliterated by Zarya anymore as Sigma.

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Zarya is gonna be relatively weaker, actually. She’s going to be still good, and likely top dog, but her ability to start fights with 50 charge is gone; so she will be much weaker in subsequent fights, which is nice.

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i dont see them on ps4? there was no update needed for ps4

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the only update/change i see on ps4 was the patchamari event

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welp nvm the changes are on ps4 but their was no patch notes for it

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gonna be playing reaper a lot today, i think im slowly starting to like him more than most dps. i just like how you have to be sneaky and transport behind enemy lines and kill supports… must be scary for them :smiley:

just sucks if there is a pharah around, usually switch off real quick lol

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I’m skeptical. Don’t get me wrong, I think it’s a great change, but if she was starting fights at 50 before then it’s most likely she’ll be starting them at over 40 now.

Without other changes to meta heroes I doubt that’ll balance the scales.

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When?

(20characters)

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Good point that is inconsistent in my part, I am honestly ok if Blizzard says, ok, we are going for a strictly high skill / high reward model, and will nerf / buff everyone based on their RMS of how strong they are in each rank to do that.

So heroes would be balanced so they would be good so they are good for roughly the same amount of the ladder as each other.

It is the Genji players themselves saying he should be high skill / high reward, so they want him to be targeted higher, and Blizzard looking at this agree with that.

But that means that anti flankers ALSO need to be targeted for high level play, and currently neither Brig nor Moira is doing well there.

Like, if Blizzard actually commit to balance by RMS, then Tracer can be top DPS up there, all day every day, and you will hear no complaints by me.

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bap is 100 percent anti flanker

bap and moira both play similar roles in that area, hes just better then her so they pick him over her

currently anti dive isn’t even necessary, most of the tanks have already gotten armor buffs against dive and sustain has only gone up for now

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right, but its something. maybe not enough to phase her out of top spot but she might be a bit more hearable. a difference between needing to get another bubble or not is a whole 8 -10 seconds. we’ll see.

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Then, with McCree and Baps being so strong right now, and highly picked, how is Tracer #2?

Anti-flanker and anti-dive are 2 different things.

But, I don’t see Tracer as Balanced if McCree / Baps are meta, and she is #2, it looks like early overwatch to me, and that went very poorly when Blizzard tried to balance it.

We can’t have Brig as the only effective anti-tracer hero. It means she has to hard counter, and that isn’t good for anyone, but, any other anti-flanker which would work on Tracer is going to be at least as hated.

I am worried that Tracer will cause Neo Brig… and given people keep trying to nerf her Anti Tracer parts of her kit, it will only get worse from here.

Tracer caused Brig, and she is WELL on Track to do it all again.

People KEEP saying that they would rather have Tracer nerfed than Brig being created, but, they keep saying the same things which caused Brig to have to be created in the first place.

So, I think we will 100% go down the same route. I don’t WANT to go down the same route.

Can’t anyone else see that the end of this road wasn’t that fun the first time around?

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her pickrate dropped again today, like I said not indicative of the meta whatsoever

good thing bap does both

bap was never in early overwatch

you can’t go the same route when the road your own right now has shiny new lamps and asphalt installed, its pretty hard to repeat the past when the present is completely different

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I’m seeing us on the same part of the same map.

People hate any “low skill” parts of peoples kits, “Inv Field, Repair pack, Flash/Fan” but you notice they are ALL the anti mobility stuff.

The very stuff people are lining up to get nerfed because they are hated are all being forced to be in the game and strong, because of Tracer.

Where we are now, with anti-flanker’s being highly picked, and Tracer being in top 3 constantly is EXACTLY the part of the map which leads to neoBrig.

Especially as people are calling to make McCree weaker, and them hating on Inv Field and Medic pack.

McCree and Field don’t even work that well now vs her. It is like when people were saying Zen is a counter to Tracer.

It wasn’t the case, and it looks a LOT like what you are saying about Baps. Because, hey, Zen AND Baps is most picked Supports, and McCree is most picked DPS.

And Tracer is #2… That is EXACTLY the part of the map we should not be in, there is a road right here, and we have been on that road before. You may say it is all asphalt and lit, but it is the same road, and it goes to the same place.

I don’t want to go there, but you seem to be all “get in everyone!!!”

We SHOULD have nerfed her the first time rather than make Brig, in the same position, are we going to make the same mistake?

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Same here! Don’t have it on Xbox One.

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Earthshatter needs a cost increase next

1540 for one of the better ults in the game is way too low, especially considering they’ve upped his damage

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Could be, because there is less shields to stop it. When shield break becomes easier, Shatter becomes stronger.

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So who should I compare him to, McCree? Reaper? McCree has a much larger effective range and both deal considerably more dps with easier main weapons.
I used the comparison to Sombra because she is considered to be an ability based hero with reletively low midfight damage, and Genji is almost 40dps below her with worse abilities.

But he still has a slow firerate and his time to kill is only 70 milliseconds faster than it was before. He’s not going to be good at spamming out chip damage for people to enter his kill threshold.

Hack is amazing and translocator removes almost all risk from any duel, Genji has to hard commit if he uses his cooldowns to try to win the duel. His damage is his escape.

Ability based, ultimate centered, low dps heroes with close effective range and high mobility. I would make the comparison to Echo because her design is closer, but I don’t think anyone wants Genji to be that strong.

I’m ok with a nerf to his ult charge, I just don’t want a 15% nerf to a major part of his kit for a 9% buff to a smaller part of his kit.

Even Genji mains don’t want a nanoblade meta, they want a powershift. This isn’t a powershift, it’s a major nerf with gold paint.

Then you look at the actual numbers of the change and wonder how they can even take themselves seriously calling it an even deal. If they nerfed McCree’s damage per shot to 60 but gave him 11% more ult charge would you call it fair? That would be a buff to part of his kit wouldn’t it? See how crazy that is?

Yes I should be grateful that they only gave him a moderately large sized nerf when they said they were trying to buff him.

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Except his win rate has gone up to the highest it has been for the last month after it went live.

It is why I was like “lets see what the stats say given a day.” because you can see, on day one if something is an overall buff or nerf.

No need to theorist about it, you just wait a day and see.

It was a buff. The Genji one tricks are going up in SR on average.

Now, was it a buff in the rank people WANT it to be a buff in? that we will see in a week, but overall? buff.

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