Nerf Zarya Tracer and Widow damage

Obviously not literally. But if you can’t decipher when to go in and not go in and when to pull out and when its safe to move forward (which is basic IQ when it comes to MOST heroes) then… idk at that point.

I would say 40-50% but this is because my playstyle is super aggressive and is a result of my playstyle, not the hero itself.

I agree, it is not a hard hero to play and that is the reason why I think she is played so much. People who want to be able to do damage and don’t want to play main-tank will have such an easy time picking up Zarya. I used to be a hardstuck 3.5k hitscan player, but then I got tired of having to wait 10 minutes to win or lose my games so I picked up tank. I was able to solo carry a lot of games as Zarya while climbing because being able to track and aim helps you a LOT with the hero.

I’m not here to argue that the hero is hard to learn, though. She is the easiest tank to learn and play. However, she is not overpowered because of this.

Yes, this is basic IQ plays that everyone should know to do if they want to improve their SR amount in the game. However, because of Zarya’s lack of mobility she becomes a very easy target for people to farm ult charge off of if she makes a mistake. She provides more value if she dies to the enemy team than if a DPS died because that’s the off-tank of the team dead, meaning that a lot of the damage and peel they potentially had is now gone.

sigma

and he has done more damage since his release

The 110 stuff is cool and all. But zarya does 170 DPS on a direct beam.

Sigma’s projectiles (and direct hitting 2 of them to do 110 full damage) is much harder to pull off. So zarya’s damage output is still overall better.

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average charge of zarya is around 50

so you can’t just say she’s at a permanent 170 dps

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There’s a lot of reason why people don’t simply average higher. Out of combat time, after death going to point, the start of the round when they’re still waiting to even encounter people, etc.

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So doesn’t this directly counter your own point that she doesn’t constantly do 170 DPS?

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and still there is no zarya that is ever permanently at 100 charge

and you just contradicted yourself lmao

Zarya is overpowered though. In ranks Diamond and above on almost all maps if the your up against Zarya you almost always have to mirror to win or be competitive. Zarya is at Sigma/Orisa peak levels where Zarya is basically a must pick and not playing Zarya while the enemy does is almost certain loss. Zarya/Rein or Zarya/Winston for example also have the huge advantage of needing super minimal team work or coms to work which is key in ladder since its all random. No one is playing in scrims together then going into ladder.

Also calling Zarya the “easiest tank to learn” is insanely laughable. Have you ever watched low ranks play? You play Zarya a ton you simply know that isn’t true. I mean you have to manage your bubbles and cool downs correctly, who to focus down, have correct positioning, etc. Zarya is in charge of so much. We found that out during GOATS all the management Zarya has to have in order to get value out of.

Either way Zarya is over powered. Especially now with everyone’s damage being nerfed she simply melts everyone. Plus she has the only cleanse ability in the game. Plus all the other tanks are pretty garbage as well which makes Zarya even more must pick. Hog is back to being a super ult feeder, ball is meh, Orisa is in the trash, Sigma is meh, Dva is only viable on a few maps, which leaves Zarya to be paired with Winston or Rein.

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This is not true, Zarya is not a must-pick like Sigma Orisa were at their peaks recently. Zarya is easily replaced with other off-tanks such as D.Va.

This is purely my opinion and I’d be willing to argue that she is the easiest tank.

This is not true either, Monkey D.Va are insanely strong.

Monkey/Dva are not strong against most Zarya comps especially in ladder. This isn’t OWL. Dive takes a ton of coordination and team work to see value. That simply doesn’t happen even in top 500 games. Especially if you run Zarya/Winston/Ashe no one is able to dive you as you can just push Dva/Winston back with ease.

Zarya can be replaced as Dva sure but as I said if one team runs Zarya you simply have to mirror. Sure if both don’t run Zarya sure take your chances. But Rein/Zarya is still the most optimal comp in ladder. Saying Dva is as good as Zarya right now in ladder is the same as trying to say McCree can just replace Ashe in ladder and see the same or better results. That just isn’t the case,

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“This entire meta is based around teamplay and coordination. You can not place blame on one specific person” is one of my favorite quotes that Samito told me in-game once.

Incorrect.

No you don’t, not at all.

No it’s not.

No it isn’t, McCree and Ashe are not comparable in anyway. Zarya and D.Va are very comparable, however. This is why their pickrates are nearly the same.

This is false.

Brigitte was in development long before Overwatch left beta, Tracer was never viewed as problematic then. The only changes that came for Tracer were to her pulse bomb damage which came after Brigitte released.

No, it’s not :slight_smile:

Her CHARACTER and lore was. Not her specific kit and values. Geoff literally said they regret releasing her because her entire kit had been created to counter Tracer/dive and that it was a big mistake making a hero to counter an entire meta. This is something he outright SAID.

Yes she was multiple Pros called her too strong during year 1 of OWL and the community complained about her constantly, and GM players and pros said every game was down to who had the better Tracer.

No she also got her falloff range buffed.

Everything you just said was wrong. Please stop.

When did I ever say the blame is on one person? You clearly have some made up narrative. Dive takes the most coordination ANY pro player will tell you that. Dive doesn’t fall on one person. Dive simply isn’t as easy to run as Zarya/Rein.

Samito? I don’t listen to cry babies who whine more than play the game. Nerf every hero that counters what he mains. If Samito was in charge it would just be 6 dps heros.

Dva and Zarya also don’t have similar pick rates nor are they same. They have very different roles. The only thing in common is their seen as “off tanks”. I get it you don’t want your hero to see any changes but then again I suppose your someone who thought Genji was balanced when he was super buffed because Samito said it was great.

No Samito has said this patch is the best balance has been in years (and I and many other top players agree) and he even said he wants Orisa to get a barrier HP buff to bring back bunker in a healthy way.

He’s not this horrible naysayer you guys try to paint him as.

He also plays tank and support quite often and was a Brig player for his top contenders team for months, so :thinking:

Samito said on stream in his DPS discussion that the Genji buffs made him overtuned. He also was one of the main top players to suggest powercreep nerfs to DPS and hitscan and is why we are in such a balanced state of the game right now.

I am just quoting someone, I’m not making up any narratives. The quote is relevant because the meta is based around teamplay and coordination.

Yes, I know this. I run Dive a lot in my games.

No one was arguing this, you’ve clearly made up some narrative :smile:

Samito is literally an insane player, I thought you’re talking about high level gameplay? He qualifies for this. He’s top 500 on all three roles iirc.

I’m fine with Zarya getting nerfed if the devs see fit, however, according to this forums narrative of “devs listen to streamers and pros only”, this will not be the case as none of those players complain about Zarya. Zarya isn’t my only hero, I also play all other off-tanks :slight_smile:

You’re assuming I listen and follow everything the man says because I quoted something I found inspirational from him that he told me one game. Jesus christ, get a grip.

Playing Brig in contenders is super irrelevant. When your on a pro team you don’t decide who to play lol. During GOATS several DPS players were told and forced to play Brig which became known as “Brig Jail”. Playing a hero on a pro team doesn’t mean anything other than you did what the coach said. Very few support players ever played Brig in GOATS it was just DPS players.

Zarya is fine, Dva and winston are taking over.
Tracer needs a revert to falloff
Widow needs nerf

I think we’d better need to nerf symmetra for all these 3, just to make sure no more stupid topics at this forum