Nerf widow she is broken as hell

yeah you are still doing something wrong, positioning is just as important as mechanics

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Just don’t argue with t500 or OWL ppl.
They are only a tiny group in Overwatch.
But in this case I am with them. Yes, you need to aim, but One-tabbing heros are completly unhealthy for this game, since they negate 1/3 of the team (healers because you can’t heal against insta death), and can kill 2/3 of the team (and when pocketed by Mercy you can do 390 dmg against Zarya).

She is cancer to play against, and on the same “should be removed or reworked” level where Doom and Hanzo are placed

Except her only value comes from that one shot potential. She has fairly weak cooldowns and an even weaker primary fire and her kill potential can be greatly diminished by avoiding her sight lines and being an unpredictable target.

It doesnt feel nice to play against a really good widow, but it doesn’t feel nice to play against a really good cree either. If you really wanted to nerf her, I’d reccomended some way to punish a missed scoped shot like a recovery time before she can fire again.

“He stares into the abyss and the abyss stares back”
“The abyss is also a Widowmaker’s sight line.”

Wait a minute, where did I heard this line before?

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Most of those games also dont give their sniper players grappling abilities that allow them to leverage angles they can’t normally reach or get to those locations with such ease.

Because hanzo has it too.

If widow is op in high ranks while she is weak in low ranks and cant get value, she need rework.

Fixed. Winston and Wrecking Ball exist(yes I know double shield is the meta; how do you get sniped with cover and shields?) Genji’s matchup against her was improved overall. Mercy damage boosting Ashe one shots her. Reddit Lucio is also a thing. Hell, even I’ve harassed her as Mercy for her to swing over to her team into a Gravitic Flux lol.

And wydm “best case scenario you trade”? Best case scenario is you outplay her with Hanzo. I know it may sound feasible but I’ve seen it happen. From what I’ve seen, there are a lot of cheaters at high rank. But if they’re genuinely not, I think it’s too dismissive to think you can do literally nothing. I refuse to believe that.

Widow is so simple to deal with, just have a winston, or a hammond, dva, road, genji, lucio or sombra that dive her and an ana that heals them at a distance. Or double shield to make she useless… simple.

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A good Widowmaker will punish your team for giving her the space to get picks onto your team, which is how this game should work: a good player should be able to abuse your teams mistakes and dominate.

whispers of the wind, as sweet as honeysuckle and as quiet as the still seas you hear the sounds, the sounds of your answers, you listen with all the power you can muster “oh yeah” followed by the sounds of jet propulsion, as silence breaking as dropping a dinner plate in the Sistene Chapel, finally you see him, your hero, with fur as dark as night, the attire of a quantum scientist and the weaponry of Nikola Tesla, he leaps into action, like a bolt from the blue he lands, making the loose brick fall like dandelion seeds and then he gets ripped by a Reaper cuz he doesn’t know how to shield dance lol

there is a nice role in the game called tank, a lot of tanks have that really cool thing thats called shield where they block widow shots,
how cool, right?

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So ez, lul, esp

Top500 widow comment for sure

I think she needs a mag size nerf. She has the ability to wipe out entire teams in a single magazine. Decreasing her mag size means missing a shot is a much bigger deal, as you have less ammo and are gonna have less chances to get picks or deal damage in general. Right now, if you miss a shot, or even a few shots, it really doesn’t matter at all and you can still routinely get multiple kills on the same mag. This would also mean she will be spending more time reloading which means more time windows to dive her which are pretty limited right now.

A damage or another charge time nerf would likely be too severe. I’m totally down for a damage nerf, but I know a lot of people probably wouldn’t be. And I don’t think making grapple’s cooldown even longer would be really fair. You could maybe add a few seconds to make her more stationary and easy to dive but then she feels a little more clunky and that takes away a lot of cool things you can do with her kit. Nerfing her damage a little bit so she can only one shot 200 health heroes could be nice, or maybe only 250 health heroes as right now her max damage is 300 with a headshot (120 plus her 2.5 headshot multiplier). Making her bodyshot max damage 100 or 110 instead of 120, lowering her max headshot damage to 250 or 275, could be nice, but again, might be a little severe or just cause a lot of people to whine. So I’m in favor of lowering the mag size so she can one shot less people per clip and overall put out less pressure than she can in her current state (as well as have a fairly long reload animation to better fit the amount of damage she can do and give the team longer windows of both safety and diving potential).

2 heroes are better than one, no sh*t Sherlock.

glad im not diamond + all the widows at my elo throw the game. you rarely get one that dominates a game it happens but they are most likely smurfs that are usually low-level bronze portraits :smile:

im decent with her not pro or anything but i have had people tell me i was hacking or using aimbot, im just not consistent. i can dominate some games but 4 other games i miss every shot