Maybe even nerf overall barrier health across the board for Rein, Orisa, Sigma if it ain’t enough.
Something has to give because playing DPS in this game is an absolute nightmare. I don’t know what’s worse GOATS or this constant shields meta. And I can’t decide which is more annoying the ultra long queue times or the toxic teammates constantly asking for DPS to be reported.
Not to mention that 90% of the roster is a throw-pick because you need burst to get anything killed which means Doomfist, Hanzo or Widowmaker.
I think Sigma easily has to be the most overtuned tank to ever come out in this game and between the absurd amount of damage tanks do and the absurd amount of healing, this game has never felt less skillful and less FPS-like.
Nerf tank damage and barriers and nerf support healing across the board because the support / tank power creep is so absurd at this point I don’t know how are things not changed yet.
I’m not even a DPS main but the DPS is role is in an pathetic state and it has been for awhile.
It also astounds me how a single hero can have a movable super fast rechargeable strong barrier, a ridiculous damage output, an AoE projectile stun ability and a sustain ability that’s able to nullify damage at the same time. On top of rechargeable self-shields and a huge AoE ultimate that also does significant amount of damage while making everyone an easy target.
Nerf tanks damage and support healing output across the board and make DPS a viable role again in this game because with Immortality Field not even burst is a viable option anymore.
While you are at it, introduce heroes that actually require some semblance of mechanical skill.
With all due respect and no offense but you virtually couldn’t be more wrong. Considering we just came out of a meta with zero DPS, I don’t know how in the world could you be demanding for buffs for tanks and supports when they’ve never been more broken than ever.
If you do that, he is dead meat XD
If you also nerf his dmg, you would just make more heroes able to walk into rein face and win 1v1 with him, even when they are hit by his hammer.
Bouth ideas fro that hero would be terrible XD
That doesn’t change any of my points, just like it doesn’t change the fact that 90% of the DPS roster is useless.
Tanks are very much a threat and having one year+ of nothing but Goats is a pretty solid proof. I have no clue how you can claim healing is strong cause of power creep in damage? What power creep? Healing is strong cause supports are absurdly good.
Tanks are supposed to protect other heroes from damage, not be DPS 1vs1 monsters.
He dont need to be monster, but if someone walk up to melee hero, this melee hero should be able to defend himself. If he cant do that, he cant protect anyone.
If you lower his dmg, would make him not able to do so. People would just walk at close range to him when he hold barrier and shoot, knowing he cant even kill them anyway if he drop it and swing.
Its not hard to play around him anyway with many dps, but it would not be needed if you nerf him
They can’t be “useless” if are required for a match and 222 enforces exactly that.
If the tanks are so strong, why are most of the ppl still queuing for dps and exceeding the demand?
Cause the damage shifted over to burst damage and Blizzard buffed that aspect. So in turn you need to buff burst healing or make burst healing heroes, to counter said damage.
You would need to decrease burst damage which in turn can decrease burst healing…
Good thing you have teammates for that. A tank’s main job is not killing stuff but soaking and protecting teammates from damage.
You seem to be missing the point entirely. The fact that DPS are required to be in the match doesn’t change the fact that they are useless from balance point of view.
Because it’s an FPS game and people like to shoot at things. There could be a thousands of reasons why that have nothing to do with balance. I am talking about balance.
That tanks are more effective damage dealers than most DPS.
That’s flat out wrong. Widowmaker hasn’t received anything since Season 1 in terms of damage, in fact she was nerfed back then and hasn’t been changed since then. Hanzo has been nerfed more than once. Burst hasn’t been changed, it has become more prevalent because sustain damage is completely useless due to how absurdly strong supports are in this game.
You got everything backwards. Burst didn’t become popular because it was buffed. Burst became popular because it is the only way to kill stuff in the game. Case point is Soldier who was nerfed back then because of how good his sustain DPS was and now has been buffed and even with buff values is absolute trash pick and can’t compete at all. Why? Because supports are so over-tuned at this point that sustain damage is utterly useless.
Goats doesnt matter anymore. You can only play 2 tanks and 2 supports now.
And yes, the power creep spiraled out of control.
People dying too fast? → Buff Healing!
People not dying? → Buff damage!
People dying too fast again? → More shields!
Too many Shields? → More damage!
you see the problem?
Who are you to tell me that Tanks are only supposed to protect and not do damage?
If that would be the case nobody would want to play tank in this game…
Think about it dude.
If the only people that are allowed to do damage and kill stuff in 1vs1 would be dps heroes, who the heck would then still play tank and support?
I certainly wouldnt…
Dude, if you want supports and tanks to be that useless and unfun, why not want their deletion, period?
Role q proves that not enough people would care anyway. I hope ow2 is tank and support free in a great part because of people like you.
If you have a fanbase that honestly thinks masochists will preffer going as a weak and unfun tank/support over playing any hard af game that you die constantly but you are rewarded for passing, you are out of your goddang mind…
Uhm, that’s literally the design of tanks, you might want to look up what the role of a tank is. Never have I said anywhere in this thread that tanks should do no damage. You might want to re-read everything I said.
So play with premades then?
Supports and tanks useless? Supports drive the meta every Season mate. Tanks do almost the same damage potential as DPS while having defensive tools and large health bars. Where do you see me suggesting making tanks and supports useless? I am suggesting making the DPS role viable again.
This game was supposed to be playable without people you q with too. If it would not supposed to be, it player base would be way lower.
But if you wona make tanks like rein that uselles, tell me where you play game where melee hero vs range heroes, that is a tank, cant kill anyone if they walk straight into his face?