No Tank should be walking around 1-shot comboing squishies at will while also being so individually Tanky. And Whole Hog is completely broken against Tanks and at straight up winning the objective by pushing all enemies off, and it having an 8 sec duration while also being able to Hook and Heal during it is ridiculous. The Tank Role passive reducing knock-back makes Whole Hog more lethal against Tanks.
Just nerf the crap out of Roadhog until you healthily rework/rebalance him.
For the rework/rebalance, I’m thinking something like:
- Make Breather expand an AOE inhalant cloud that slightly sustains himself and his team. Something like 20 hp/s + 10% damage reduction with a 5 second duration could be good to start. This would be great so Roadhog can help his team defensively so we can nerf him in other areas. If Roadhog taps Breather, it would leave just a small AOE, if he holds it down longer, it would keep expanding the AOE. Because of this, the AOE would not disappear all at once, but over time.
- Adjust primary fire to deal less damage at close range but more at medium range
- Nerf 1-shot combo (as part of compensation, can buff Pig Pen HP, trigger range, etc. to make it better at zoning).
- Increase Hook cooldown by 1 or 2 seconds.
- Adjust Whole Hog to not explode Tanks instantly and reduce the knock-back.
- Nerf the sustain Roadhog gets directly from Breather since he’d have the inhalant cloud AOE.
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Wow, yet another “nerf the worst tank thread”. So useful. Don’t you create these threads all the time?
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Nerf Roadhog until he’s healthily reworked/rebalanced I said, and I gave my ideas about how they could go about doing that, so my thread is useful.
Also, if Roadhog was the worst Tank, I wouldn’t be losing games to him.
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Sounds like a skill issue, bud.
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Hog already sucks though.
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What!! You are losing games to Hog??? And posting it on the forum!! Holy loser batman!!
In my games most hogs switch within 2 fights. I rarely see a hog player last out a whole game - and I mean VERY rarely. If I play hog I understand it will be for 2-3 fights max before Orisa comes trotting out and I have to go something else like Orisa, Sig or Zarya.
Hog is a joke now with Orisa and Mauga countering him hard. Ram, DVa and JQ all can make him pretty useless too.
And worst of all, Ana is in most games again and hog becomes a pointless meatbag with her around constantly.
I commend you though - it’s pretty hard to lose against hog just now, so well done!
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Playing Mauga can be rough into Roadhog if the enemy has an Ana. And I was just in a game using Dva vs Roadhog, but ended up losing.
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You have to avoid hook on DVa. Hog can just keep hooking DVa and that means she wastes her DM to save herself all the time. You need to go high-ground and take angles where he can’t hook you but your matrix still helps you team. Watched Cyx and his advise was just to keep hooking DVa when playing against her as it makes her useless. But a well played DVa that avoids hook and goes in at the right times can outplay a hog pretty consistently.
Mauga can be map dependent and very support dependent. Where there is a lot of cover hog can do ok, but mostly Mauga just destroys him. There are some maps where hog does all right on 1 part but then it opens up and he gets run over. I am selective where I play hog against Mauga and switch once the map is no longer favourable.
But against most tanks, Hog is pretty bad. Monkey has it rough against Hog, Doom can outplay Hog but most doom players will not be able to, and hog can annoy ball but not really do much about him as he gets away long before he dies. Other tanks are all better picks than Hog.
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I’m not even making this post solely about Roadhog’s viability, but about how to make Roadhog healthier for the game by hard-countering things less, having less CC, being a team player, and less of a 1-man army.
Roadhog is one of the weakest tanks now. If you can’t respect his range and track his hook cooldown, then that’s on you 
He is literally nothing without his hook.
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Who does he hard-counter? Monkey probably has it the roughest, but even monkey can play around hog at most ranks. Hog doesn’t hard-counter anyone. He is pretty well countered by anything with high damage, hard-countered by Ana and pretty close to hard-countered by Zen. Sombra makes it a nightmare if she decides hog is her target, and just about every support now has some sort of counter to his hook, at least all the new ones do.
You are basically saying that you want hog not to hard counter maybe 1 other tank (questionable if even that) but ignore the fact he has more counters than any other tank?
Makes sense, if you are a hog hater I guess.
Some of these destroy hog, and the others should actively be playing around him. Take out the team hog falls over. Any dps capable of headshots or just constantly applying the passive make him borderline unplayable. Can he get value sure, of all the tanks is he good? Not really, definitely not enough to be nerfed or reworked again.
All this Hog is one of the weakest tanks, another nerf the worst tank, skill issue etc. A bunch of jokers here.
Just play ana lol, what if the enemy hog has kiri & ana then what are you going to do.
Play Orisa, Hog can just avoid orisa and focus on the backline
Play Mauga or Hog, Enemy has an ana to counter you
Hook goes from 6 sec to 8 sec, nerf his damage so he can’t be a tank buster tank & The enemy final position distance from Roadhog after being pulled decreased from 3 to 3.5 metres or Just revert his rework since this current one is play ana or lose
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I don’t know if you could really consider Hog to be the worst tank when his kit has undergone changes that just straight up made him better.
- Whole Hog can’t be cancelled by stuns
- Breather can’t be cancelled by stuns
- Hook combo is easier to pull off
- Pig Pen for extra damage
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According to many here, he is braindead and easy. That implies he should do great at low ranks. Yet in every rank in QP except masters, where he is 2nd lowest, he has the lowest win-rate. In comp for last 30 days he is bottom-3 win-rate in all ranks except masters and diamond where he is bottom-5.
This does not sound like a tank that is both easy to play and in a good spot. It sounds like a tank that is struggling to get value.
I 1-shot combo’d an ulting Sojourn as Roadhog earlier today. Had 75% Hook accuracy in the match, though I was playing Dva (I think) for first half of match. Ended up winning. Enemy had Doomfist as their Tank.
What is your point? Hog is good against doom. You won a game on hog? So? Of course you can win games on hog, his win rate is not 0. But it is not an easy task and few people complete a game on hog. Many start but do not finish. Usually 1-2 fights is enough for the other team to completely counter hog and so you are forced to change or lose.
Hog’s issue is not that his kit is not good, it is that there are too many counters to him who are very viable in general so it is not unusual for the enemy team to have 4 hog counters by the end of the 2nd fight.
Just revert hog to his Season 1 configuration.
Yes let’s revert the most braindead tank back to his most braindead state where he can one tap every non tank in the game just by hooking them