And, subsequently, buff some of the F-tier heroes.
Winston doesn’t need a nerf, he’s one of the most balanced tanks right now.
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Yes but then you gut down 2 argubly balanced characters
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Nerf the planet.
20 characters
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Dive isnt about DVa and Winston. Its about mobility being a facet in the game that has no counters.
Dva and Winston capitalize on that. That doesnt make them inherently OP.
Best course of action is to actually buff anti Mobility heroes (mei) and introduce heroes which punish mobility.
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Nerfing Winston in any way makes him useless. Still unsure why everyone needs to be viable in every situation
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I agree, but I’m really tired of only seeing D.va and Winston in every OWL game. That doesn’t mean they need a nerf, just that we need a new anti dive tank.
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Yeah, confuses me. The game where everyone is viable in every situation is call of duty.
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That’s the most contradictory thing I’ve ever read.
Why does Winston need to be viable in every situation?
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You can outplay and avoid both D.Va and Winston.
I do think D.Va deals ridiculous damage but I don’t think either need a nerf, they’re only as good as the enemy is bad at taking the matchup.
Every hero can be outplayed/stopped if know how to take the matchup.
This sounds dumb and might not be possible, but buffing yourself could help.
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Its more that they need to remove features like lingering contest and such which favor Dive. D.Va could use a bit of toning down with her damage/tanking.
2nd, they should add more ability to contest high grounds for non-mobile heroes. After OWL they should place quite a few jump pads around maps and see how that works, if it is bad then revert it.
It absolutely is about D.va and Winston. You have two heroes with a lot of HP diving in with barriers and an ability that eats all bullets and projectiles while the rest of your team follows behind you. Dive would be nowhere near as prominent if D.va and Winston weren’t as strong as they are.
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I don’t think more jump pads would work very well, if more were added the game would be radically different.
Man those pros are really bad in taking that match up then.
Deathball tanks need an ability to contest highground, besides this would only be for testing purposes.
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There are things you can do too though, it’s not just the heroes.
Mei and Reaper are getting buffs to act as a counter to the upcoming tank meta.
They might as well be capable of dealing with Dva and Winston after their buffs.
D.va balanced? Yea sure dude.
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I really think that the D.Va DM buff where they removed the minimum distance was the main culprit.
Back when Roadhog could combo through DM, tanks actually had a way to force an engagement with dive. Now they don’t. Additionally, Ana can’t self heal by throwing the nade downwards (makes her easy to dive), plus Mei and Zarya can’t ult downward.
I think they need to consider reverting that change.
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Winston isn’t viable in every sitation
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Agree 100%, that was when Dive started to completely outcompete these other comps.