Nerf and Buff heroes on skill

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These heroes should be perma meta and if you look at these heroes you will notice that most of them are the most popular heroes too.
Dumpster the rest of the heroes they’re low skill free value and unenjoyable to play against, why should I have to play Tracer have to have insane accuracy movement cooldown management.
When they can play mercy and hold leftclick? or for example Orisa she has barely any aim requirement, positioning or anything completely free hero she lacks in both mechanical and gamesense skill requirements

Tracer (Very popular)
Genji (Probably most popular dps)
Widowmaker
Sojourn
Echo
Maybe mei and symmetra (Gamesense)

Doomfist
D.va
Junkerqueen
Winston/Rein (Gamesense) + (Most popular tanks)

Illari
Ana (Most popular support)
Zen
Lucio
(Baptise and Kiriko aren’t skillful because their kits are so forgiving.)

When I’ve added Gamesenese next to a hero it means they’re not very mechanically demanding but they often require an indepth understanding of positioning and interactions but are relatively easy mechanically.

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Cool - define skill.

I can help you if you like, there’s a game design method of actually defining it.

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what they should do is rework low skills heros… no one hero should be low effort/ high rewards. and also almost all heros should be viable.

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my definition of skills is one hero where the full kit is not about all low skills mechanics.

example: winston is a good skills hero but moira no.

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You know what skill is don’t even attempt to argue that mercy moira or orisa are more skillful than sojourn or tracer.

Moira and Orisa require 0 gamesense and 0 mechanical skill.

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So your definition of skill is a hero requires skill.

Now define skill.

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No, really, i want you to define skill - dont read ahead on the argument.

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[Skill]
Difficult work taking great expertise.

Dictionary definition, is moira difficult does she take great expertise both answers are no you’re not jordan peterson you know what skill is stop trying to be some philosophical guy.

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Cool, now break it down into categories - what kind of skills are there?

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Mechanical and gamesense stop commeting on my post I’m going to block you becuase you’re a waste of time.

You’re not doing anything here you’re not smart you just think you’re some philosopher or mathematician you’re not jordan peterson you’re not achamedies stop wasting my time continously asking questions based off eachother you can do that all day.

You know what skill is if you pretend you don’t you’re stupid everyone and their grandmother could see mercy is easier than sojourn in every conceivable way.

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A heroes’ skill requirement doesn’t effect whether or not they’re enjoyable to play against lol

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Most of the skillful characters are enjoyable to play against.

If you’ve noticed recently all the unfun metas Orisa, Mauga, Torb/Bastion are all low skill heroes, I never see anyone complain when D.va is meta or tracer

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Nobody complains about Orisa, Torb, or Bastion in high SR.

Wheras heroes like Soj, Tracer, Ana, and Widow are hated.

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? Did you miss last season and the season before?

Whats your SR I complain about them I’m GM1

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My point is, if you want to balance the game around skill, you need to take into account all kinds of skill.

You’re right! Mechanical and Gamesense - Physical Skills and Mental Skills.

Widowmaker requires being good at 1 skill (aim), but having low ability in most other skills (i.e. positioning, memory, management, tactics and strategy etc).

Tracer is high physical skill and awareness, but low tactical skill and strategic knowledge (i.e seeing the entire fight for both teams).

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You’re the exception, not the rule.

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Widowmaker actually requires alot of positioning

So all the t500 streamers weren’t complaining about bastion last season do you want me to pull up some videos from 5 streamers?
Or do you want me to go back a few months and find the threads of highranking players complaining about them

Tracers an opportunist so she does need to see the whole fight, and in high ranks you want to be cordinated with her since she can’t always secure kills by herself due to her opportunist nature she needs her teammates to tickle people first.

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Meanwhile we can find hundreds of thousands of complaints about Soj every season she’s been in the game.

The complaint amounts aren’t comperable.

Heroes like Bastion were complained about because they were too strong. Soj, Widow and co get complained about more frequently because their design is fundamentally broken on the high end regardless of their place in the meta.

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Aim and positioning, but all the others? Low skill.

And that’s fine - people like using certain kinds of skills. I personally find widow boring as hell because i dont find aiming hard. I find more tactical, awareness based heroes more interesting and skillful.

She doesnt need to care much about general tactics or her team - once she’s in a fight, she’s all about survival.

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Thats because they won’t nerf mercy a low skill hero who breaks sojourn no one is complaining about sojourn by herself anymore, shes actually a very mid hero even in highranks without a pocket imo.

I see her very rarely and like I said I’m GM1 so if anyone was going to see her it should be me.