My thoughts on Reaper

I think he’s underwhelming, but there are a couple of things that I think are fair weaknesses:

If he’s really deadly at close range, he shouldn’t be able to close that gap super easily. I think not having as much mobility is completely fair. However, Shadow-Step needs either an overhaul or replaced with something else because it is not as useful as other abilities in the game.

That’s not exclusive to Reaper, though. I imagine with the Torbjorn rework that it may help with the armor-frenzy that’s happening at the moment.

I don’t think it’d be fair to remove the voiceline or arriving animation. There’s a couple things I think could work - damage reduction when teleporting or making it faster would help.

Or, just…changing it to something else. >__>

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Agreed with Andough, a few of these things are intended weaknesses for Reaper. Lots of people call for Reaper to ignore armor, but I really don’t see that as necessary. Most armored targets are slow, beefy heroes that Reaper can land full bodyshots on – with the exception of Brig’s Rally, but that’s kind of a whole different thing – and even when Reaper’s damage is halved, he’s still able to dish out damage like a McCree against those targets, which isn’t really crippling. It does mean his poke game is even weaker, but emphasis on “even;” it’s already far from his forte. If you really want that big damage, aim for meaty headshots.

I do agree, and I think most people do as well, that Shadow Step is always a bad ability. And what’s worse is that when it works as intended? It feels like a great ability for Reaper. It totally fits who he is and his kit. I really think a few simple buffs could put it into a more usable place, and boost Reaper’s applicability. An instant teleport, for example, or even just drastically reducing its cast time? That would go miles. One of my go-to buffs has been to allow him to combine Shadow Step with Wraith Form, letting him burn two abilities so that he can more safely get into positions – and then hard commit to those positions.

Another more wild buff I’ve had in mind is letting him Wraith Form out of stuns. There’s a lot of match-ups that absolutely should be more evenly matched but ends with Reaper getting spooked away as soon as a stun-combo hits him. Letting him Wraith Form to quickly get out of those binds gives him a stronger frontline presence which he currently lacks. Which is ironic considering he arguably should have the strongest frontline presence of any non-tank hero.

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But then we have closerange deadly heroes like Tracer who actually have mobility

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I agree, if the is closecombat, he should have the tools to close distance.

Someone link my thread please; my internet is crapping out.

nvm got it. OP please take a look at this :slight_smile:

Im coming from a thread about how reaper is too OP Reaper Ult Too OP
hes an 1800 pharah main Im dead
like oh you wanna counter reaper ult be in the sky

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I have no words…

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The biggest problem Reaper has had is that even when he works fine, other heroes simply work better.

Reaper has no big draw, especially when Tracer exists, and unless Blizzard massively overtune him, that’s not going to change.

Personally I’d like them to make him an anti-armour specialist like Torbjorn. That would give him a niche without crowding Tracer and minimizing the frustration of putting an extremely strong mechanic on an extremely strong hero, because Reaper has plenty of counterplay beyond just living through his damage.

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Hes been f tier for 2 years AND HE STILL HAS THE WORST ABILITY IN THE GAME

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But his niche is tankbusting…
Yeah, right that’s is why he gets always picked, if there are two or more tanks.

His niche does not exist right now and he can’t outperform other DPS, so he won’t get picked.

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why thank you

Well, is there anything wrong with a silver pharah main? I got unlucky with placements (and that’s when I was bad) and I never climbed… and at least i’m climbing this season because in silver no one tries to counter pharah and I’m a really good one. And also I’m not afraid to let my profile be public… Ahem ImJoosh Ahem. But I prefer to avoid being toxic so good day

Well, then should a Reaper that has ult all few minutes really be no problem, for a Pharrah-player…

He’s fine. He’s effective in all ranks, he has a niche, and is even used in pro play from time to time.

He’s balanced.

With the single worst E-ability in the game?
He is like never used in pro-play and forced to swap after one minute.

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He really just needs mobility. There’s no reason a squishy DPS hero who is required to be in nearly point blank range to be effective should be as slow and clunky as he is, ESPECIALLY not when you’ve got Doomfist who is an absolute butcher in close range but also has insane mobility (although I’ve said it before on the forums, I do not think DF is actually OP, he is just really good in the right hands). Reaper deserves the same potential. It’s really just his mobility and the fact Shadow Step is so clunky/slow.

His Ult in and of itself is fine IMO. I really think the game overall needs reliance on uncounterable DPS Ults and instead should focus on comboing a lot more to make the DPS ults more effective. Not to say they shouldn’t be useable solo, but I actually think Reaper’s Ult is one of the best designed in terms of balance…it is very strong but functions best with teamwork kind of like Pharah’s Ult. I think Ults in general should not be I Win buttons for DPS but should instead be extremely powerful with the right combo. It isn’t that Reaper’s Ult is bad, it’s that many other DPS Ults are too easy and too good. Just my opinion though.

But yeah Reaper needs some love. I’m surprised they didn’t touch him on the PTR seeing as how Soldier and McRib both got some much needed improvements. But let’s not forget Blizzard likes to “balance” things based on mass complaints from Silver tier players and they all probably still think Reaper is OP.

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I agree, with so many QoLs/buffs/spread and range buffs he can’t really keep up anymore, soon.

Torb’s shotgun got improved and Hog’s will probably follow.
Reaper’s deserves the same and he has not even an alt-fire.
So his main-fire should at least be viable.

I think they need to go all in on his in-your-face brawler style and forget being a flanker entirely. Maybe his E boosts lifesteal from 20% to 70% for x amount of time?

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He does not really work as flanker with his slow and clunky E

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That’s the problem, he was initially designed to be a flanker like tracer/genji, but his movement ability is trash.

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