My desire to play support is dwindling

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I have 100’s of hours on various supports. It’s a role I’ve loved to play since this game began. But this beta has made me question how much I want to invest in OW2. It makes me wonder if I even want to play the game at all in the future.

Quite simply, support is a vulnerable role. Yes, it’s powerful, but it’s also the easiest to kill and has overall the worst match ups in duels. It’s been this way even in OW1.

When targeted, a support might use CC, a knockback, a debuff, or mobility, but ultimately all this does is buy time. It doesn’t solve the problem if you’re being focused and your team isn’t helping you.

And in OW2 this seems to happen. A lot. With the loss of a tank and tanks being largely reworked to be brawlers, there are much fewer peeling options for support players. Furthermore, tanks are much more focused on holding the front line rather than peeling for their back line.

Sure, I might be able to clench a duel here or there when I’m focused, but while I’m dueling my team is dying.

Considering the game’s low ttk and lack of defensive options, I don’t have time to duel if I want to keep my team alive. I’m caught between the proverbial rock and a hard place:

  1. Ignore the DPS pressuring me and hope my DPS peels for me so I can focus on healing and keep my team alive. My tank isn’t likely to peel. They’re holding the front line. And you can probably guess how motivated most DPS players are to babysit their support.

  2. Engage in a duel, which will most likely be an uphill battle and a poor match up for me, requiring a significant amount of time and CD investment. If I do this, my team is likely to die.

This is why support is not fun. It’s not about a lack of power. It’s about being the most team dependent class in the game and being left to fend for yourself in a game that is supposed to be more about player autonomy.

In my opinion, supports needed to be the role reworked the most when moving to 5v5. Not tanks.

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This is the symptom of 5v5. No off tank to protect supports anymore.

Blizz is doing blunder after blunder.

Supports needed to be fully reworked before they even considered doing a beta like this.

The entire game is an out of whack mess, and not in the good way original OW was.

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yesssss!!! everything here is true! take this to the top bois!!! plzzzz

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Well tanks were too depended on the team in ow1 thats why people didnt like playing them… So people would go hammond and roadhog and do their own stuff.

Now supports are in the same league you can just hope you get the better dps and win but it wont feel great.

Supp role is suffering from many issues and blizzard not putting time to rework them properly is just showing they are rushing things without thinking twice. They think people like playing support in ow1 so many will just keep playing support in ow2… You can just wait for the new support heroes and hope they have better designs so you can keep playing. I dont bet on this and probably wont be playing much ow2 because its too exhausting, boring and just no fun. Maybe dva is more fun but blizzard wont see an € from me for this rubbish they are pulling off.

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And once again.

3 years!!!

What have they been doing for 3 years? Clearly not PVE, otherwise they would show us more already!

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I know, if I do get back in this game, I’ll be on support, (and not heal).

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Honestly I don’t get much peel in OW1. When I do it is usually the other support. Which is why I ended up playing mostly Lucio. I can duel. I can get myself out of trouble if a duel is a bad idea. I can also peel quite well for my other support. Which tends to be one of Ana, Zen or Bap these days.

I don’t expect the situation to be much different in OW2.

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I hate every single change they’ve made to support for ow2 and support is just less fun in a 5v5 setting (as is anyways, maybe they can fix it… probably not tho). I might play PvE but honestly I think this is it for me when it comes to pvp. I really don’t see myself playing this game anymore unless some serious changes are made.
All the dps I like have been butchered too (rip Mei, Sym, and Sombra)

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Yea but check what you get for pve first before buying. This company is something else now… I expect every hero will get a pve dlc for their story released every 2-3 months for 20€. This company betrayed their playerbase i wouldnt give them any money anymore without being sure its worth it.

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Yeah definitely, if it’s like $20 for the full thing I’ll buy it but if it costs much more than that, or if it isn’t all done after all this time I’m done for good with this game. Which is really sad as this has been my go-to game between single-player narrative games/ to play when I’m bored and want some mindless fun for years… but honestly its not really the same game anymore so I guess I have to say goodbye to overwatch no matter what

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Supports are supposed to peel for each other. It has been the case for a long time, even in OW1.

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More hiding it is then, if I will play support. It pays off to never rely on strangers to peel for you.

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Ive been playing self reliant in ow1 for a long time so much so it bothers me in ow2 when a mercy peels to heal me knowing i have the new passive and if im not running im fine. Ow1 teams that peel were a shock, having 1 player pay attention to the backline or have a decent mic for audio ques was a nice surprise.

Im accustomed to high ground all the time because dropping is always a free out. I know who to duel and who to run from, and not back up i mean face the other direction and run. And to position so cooldowns are spent reaching me and the audio ques from that lets me rotate.

Sometimes you need to heal as much as you can as you die, most the time i think its better to focus the duel or your survival and hope your team has the sense to play accordingly. When i flex role i dont assume im not getting heals because the support doesnt want to i assume they are being pressured and i would rather them live the be of no value through a full respawn.

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Yeah. Maybe it’s a regional thing but I honestly have no idea where all these peeling offtanks have been in my games for the last six years. I haven’t seen any help me out on purpose.

For me and players like me OW2 is always how OW has been played by supports. Always. To me there is nothing new at all. Everything is the same except a zen kick and a Moira orb. I understand this differed by region and platforms but it is my reality.

Fighting for your life and asking for help from people who ignore you while crying for healing, Until you stop asking, is my normal. You learn to duel those flankers and focus on yourself. Then you win or die and you go back to supporting.

If your team has died by then, they’ve done it to themselves. But they will still blame you, because they don’t value or respect you.

If Blizzard wants me to a be a pro duelling, mass murdering babysitter in OW2 so be it, no changes here, but they better give me a new toy to play with and soon.

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It’s a western thing I think. The individual is more important than the group. Everyone’s the hero to their own story, so screw everyone else, (ironic since heroes are selfless).

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I’m so bored of reading

“mad bcs ur hero now takes more skill”

because they don’t understand what has happened

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If its not ready why show it now?

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Tbh on eu people even peel for you when you tell them … Also ow2 is not about teamplay. Teamplay has been lowered except for moira mercy

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Well “Your role has been broken for so long!!!”

and also

“Get good :poop:-ers!”

Is what you’re gonna hear from some people in the community :upside_down_face:

There’s clearly a problem with the support role - whether it’s not having anything new/interesting to play or what - but if they don’t do something about it, well…

Enjoy your queue times :slight_smile:

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I had low hopes for OW2 when Kaplan/Tigole announced his departure from Blizzard. Imagine how disappointed he must have felt to walk away from his child of 10 years, but he did it. And now we know why.

OW2 is a hot mess after a lot of time in development. The developers have nothing to show for the lack of updates. Right now we have a game more unbalanced than ever, and a few maps and a couple of new heroes. No excuses, this ain’t enough.

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