I don’t see many people talking about this, idk why cuz is something really annoying, or because no one cares to overwatch on console, but now that the game is getting more attention, I think Blizzard should make something about this topic. Everyone knows console have aim assist, but imagine mouse and keyboard with aim assist, that’s how mouse and keyboard adapters work (the most famous adapter is called “xim apex”), you buy it and you can have both of the benefits of pc and console gameplay playing against controller players, it’s literally an aimbot, you have better movement, better reaction time, more precision, aim assist and if you have a new generation console you also have 120fps, I would say most of the GM players (especially the DPSs) on console are mouse and keyboard adapter users/abusers (at least in the servers I play). If that’s not enough, players that use mouse and keyboard on console usually play with duo of hard pocket. It’s just unfair, but sadly, Sony and Microsoft won’t do anything about it. I think the solution is Blizzard allow mouse and keyboard compatibility on console, like Fortnite and Warzone, then the game would have 2 lobbys, mouse and keyboard lobby and controller lobby, this way mouse and keyboard adapter abusers could be punished for using something unfair, cuz right now, every match I play on GM has at least 2 or 3 MnK users and it’s really frustrating. For those who doesn’t know how it looks like, here’s a code of one of the many matches where’s the ashe (and maybe the tracer/cassidy) is using it: 6ZE0MN
I can assure you Blizzard doesn’t give a rats butt about cheating, exploiting, etc.
the reason why xims are prevalent is that theyre almost impossible to detect, the only way I can think of is by looking at unique analog values but I think xim purposely messes up some inputs as to throw this method of detecting off. trying to report someone normally is also mostly heresay.
It’s 2023 Blizzard doesn’t allow MKB support and throwing them into the PC Pool.
sometimes is hard to say, but most of the time is just obvious, the ashe of the match I said is one of them
XIM’s can be detected. Mike Ybarra, while working for Microsoft in 2018 tweeted API’s do exist to detect these devices. But it’s up to the developer to implement them. Ironically Mike is now the head honcho of everything blizzard and has yet to do anything about it.
You can search for his tweet and retweet him if you’d like. 2/18/18. “Developers have the choice to use APIs that detect and not allow these. It’s up to them, but the capability is there.”
I’m actually sick of this argument.
Aim assist on KBM is a detriment, not a benefit. It conflicts with natural fine motor movement of a mouse and takes away from the inherent functionality of a mouse.
Pair that with a healthy helping of input lag due to the emulation of the hardware and it’s really a non-issue.
It’s still not an excuse to use it, nor is it an excuse to not include full peripheral support across all platforms.
Tell me honestly, have you ever tried using it?
Why ? Just buy it too, it costs less than $10.
How you even wanna play fps shooter games on gamepad ? Are you out of your mind ? Thats cancer.
Then why are a high proportion of t500 players on console using kbm + aim assist?
Primarily because of the use of KBM, not aim assist.
You have a citation on that metric by the way?
Yes they are detectable.
Rare did this with Sea of Thieves and set up detections which force players into the PC pool.
I used to play with a few dudes who were XIM abusers. Didn’t know when I met them, didn’t really care after finding out.
That’s actually not true at all. Either you’re speaking from experience (cheater) or what you’ve read.
Aim assist on OW is not the slightest bit a detriment with the right “controller” inputs.
Some ex-friends of mine were XIM abusers and all of them had absolutely whacked out settings (particularly shifting between linear and horizontal ramping, aim smoothing, and ease-in) that when paired with aim assist essentially gave them aimbot.
Your experience cheating, uh I mean XIMing, likely lacks the correct “controller” inputs to take advantage of aim assist.
It seems, from what I’ve heard, that they keep the AA on, and the main disadvantage is the input lag or something.
Everything I’ve seen and heard from t500 console suggests it. there is no way to get statistics on something few people would admit to and is undetectable by the system.
I’m speaking from experience.
Nice jump to conclusion by the way, but if I’m a cheater for looking into claims out of personal curiosity and comparison’s sake rather than believe by any dribble some random spews out online, then at least I’m an informed unranked cheater on console who can confidently say that aim assist on KBM is one big nothing burger. The difference between what I did and what “cheaters” do is that I didn’t continue to utilize the exploitative factor (not that I would’ve used it: 1. Because it is a hindrance 2. Because I’m not a console player) while “cheaters” do.
XIM emulation however is a problem and needs to be addressed as it bypasses the “locks” in place creating what’s supposed to be a fair experience.
Again then it’s a hindrance and they’re delusional to think that it’s anything but.
Does fighting against computer manipulated micro adjustments with musculoskeletal micro movements while also compensating for input lag should sound like a fun time? Because it really isn’t, in OW, in Halo Online, or in Halo Infinite.
That’s not to downplay the significance of XIM without aim assist mind you, just to say that AA KBM is really not what it’s cracked up to seem like.
At that points it’s just hearsay my dude, I’m not trying to disparage you or anything I just can’t accept it
doesnt really matter you have console players playing on gamepad against mouse and keyboard 9 times out of 10 if your on gamepad you lose. And quick google search shows you can counteract the aim assist thing your talking about. Its cheating no matter how much you try to defend it.
its not really hearsay you can literally go on youtube type in overwatch 2 xim console and you have top 500 players literally showing off the gameplay lmfao. overwatch 2 Xim Apex Gm1/top500 Xbox - YouTube
【OW2】Master Rank Sojurn Competitive Gameplay #6 | Overwatch 2 Console Season 1 Xim Apex Gameplay - YouTube
Overwatch 2 Rank 1 EU Dps - Xim Apex - YouTube
You can find 100s of them now imagine how it is in game.
Anyone who has played the high ranks on console will say that you clearly have zero experience in those ranks.
They’re dominated by xims because a mouse and keyboard will beat controller in almost every single engagement, it’s the most frustrating thing in the world watching your DPS play range into xims instead of dive and they die every single time because they want to ego the xim player.
As far as the console is concerned, it’s a controller. Isn’t it just using the APIs of a controller?
Cool, so you’re a cheater and everyone here should not only disregard your opinion, but report you as well.
It’d be nice if Blizz could just outright block your IP so you can’t just hop an alt.
Got something to back this up?
I mean KBM has a distinct advantage over controller, not disputing this, but is it really 9/10 or does it just feel like 9/10 because there’s no actual way of knowing?
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I’ve tried tuning it, it’s still inferior to free use of KBM.
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I’m in no way, shape, or form defending it intentionally or unintentionally. Using XIM (or any other 3rd party hardware/software) to gain an advantage with or without AA on is cheating.
To date I’ve tried out KBM aim assist in Halo Online, OW1, and Halo Infinite, and all versions (legitimate or illegitimate) are inferior to raw input, coming from a lifetime PC player.
But again I want to make it crystal clear I’m not advocating for XIM’s use, but rather enforcement of action upon those who do as well as advocate for official peripheral support across all platforms to eradicate the issue.
Give me the Cliff notes, are they using AA or not? I do believe that XIM is being used to push players unfairly to the tops of the leaderboards, I don’t believe that it’s AA carrying them as KBM input does have an advantage over Controller input in this title.
XIM being used in visual examples also doesn’t outright prove that ‘every’ top ranked player is using AA, nor does it mean that XIM is being used by a specific numerical demographic. It can be assumed a lot of players are, but there is no solid data.
Because XIM is only used by top ranked players, right?
Jibble, don’t hit me with a “low ranks don’t use the meta” type strawman.
Can I clarify once more that I’m not in disagreement with this assertion?
I haven’t once disagreed with this statement in my 6 years of being on the OW forums.
Do you take this stance with everything in life (journalists/producers who seek out and document first hand drug use, crime, or other illicit activities for the sake of understanding it better) just the guy who made it quite clear that there are actual official implemented uses of KBM aim assist in other titles that were used in conjunction with an unofficial one to establish a stance on its practicality in practice?
If you’re looking for actual official sanctioned uses of KBM AA then I recommend trying out Halo Infinite (where KBM players are actively turning it off) or Halo Online where Halo 3’s unfettered and full console AA is an option in the settings. You don’t need to use a XIM KBM with AA to know it’s not only inferior but a hindrance, there are actual official examples of it in practice.
It seems you’re just looking for a reason to disregard my stance that KBM AA is garbage to happily stay within your opinionated safe space, that’s fine, but if you’re going to come asserting a stance you should probably have the experience to back it up rather than getting mad at the guy who did and challenges your inexperienced opinion.
I dunno why they’d block my IP, or why they’d ban me to begin with. It wasn’t my account, nor my console, nor my XIM, nor my house, nor my electricity, nor my internet, nor my game, nor even my city, they all belonged to someone I didn’t know connected to a friend who knew I was a PC player and wanted to know what I thought about how it compared. For all intents and purposes, it was metrically/statistically/quantifiably the same person using it to begin with. If they ban anyone, it should be the guy who purchased and (attempts to) use the device in an advantageous manner, not the guy who tried it out once on the perps hardware 
I think you don’t like the fact I disagree with you and have the gumption to substantiate my stance, and would rather remove me from the discussion rather than hear what I have to say despite the fact we both agree that the base hardware is in fact cheating and should be dealt with swiftly and decisively.
Most low ranked players don’t care for the meta? That’s kinda why they’re low-ranked? That and those of those ranks typically are bad at the game. For some a xim will save them, you have no idea how many times I’ve gone to look at the career profile of a xim user, see that they’re ranked below plat and never touched Widow once in their entire playtime, and then all of a sudden one season Widow is their most played character and they’re diamond. You’re more likely to come across a smurf with a xim than you are a silver or gold who uses a xim.