For those that truly believe It’s RNG, or those that aren’t sure and want closure.
There was a video by some user to show proof of its randomness in bounces, but the cursor moved after every orb used and thus only created more confusion, as a very small difference could change the resulting bounces.
I’ve decided to test it for myself while making sure not to move my mouse in between orbs to see what the results were.
I’ve used damage orb at the end of the video to show this is not a repeating video. This is not a fake.
Disclaimer: The purpose of this thread is only to show proof against that particular misinformation that has become quite common lately in the forums.
I’m not claiming anything other than that and would appreciate if people didn’t put words in my mouth.
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Any console player can prove it as well, we don’t have to touch any aim control to shoot the orb. People who think it is rng are never going to change their mind, they just want an excuse because they see it as low skill
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I think you misunderstand what people mean by RNG. Obviously if you stand still and do not move it will hit the same spots, but do it again moving yourself and the cursor and try to return to the same position to simulate what happens in an actual match. Minor differences make exponential differences in the path as it continues bouncing.
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I assumed the point was that it’s probably total luck when the orb ends up bouncing into the corner where someone’s hiding 8 seconds later, not something to do with actual randomization of its trajectory… but I haven’t really paid attention to that argument, so I guess I wouldn’t know.
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That’s not Random Number Generator, however. If it were it would bounce in different directions every time.
I understand the issue some people have is the fact that they’re incredibly hard to replicate as a minuscule change in positioning of both yourself and the orb can completely change the results. However, the purpose of this thread is only to disprove the theory of it being RNG.
Yes, I agree with that.
The issue with the orb is that the results greatly vary with only a minuscule change in trayectory and positioning.
However, the purpose of this post is only to put an end to the misinformation. The only thing I’m trying to prove here is that it’s not RNG, as many people lately have been wrongfully claiming.
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when people fail their maths exams:
It’S RnG!1!!
Y’all, it’s Simple Geometry.
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That’s what I mean when I say you misunderstand because RNG is a misnomer here. When they say RNG they mean that most Moira players are not calculating the 8th bounce huge spreading hitbox that is exponentially affected by minor differences making it feel random when obviously it is not but the geometry is complex enough it might as well be.
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There is a specific post this one is countering, where they do mean even the first bounce is rng. Most posts are talking about what you described, however this one is only to counter that one argument that was made
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Thanks for sharing. This disproves the ‘RNG’ claims. I realise some of the claims were wrongly stating ‘RNG’ but were trying to show that moving from the previous position and back to what is believed to be a near identical position causes different results. However, Moira doesn’t need to be nerfed or have her orb massively reworked to change this potential result, all that really needs to be done (if necessary) is to make the orb’s collision mechanic a little more forgiving (not as pixel precise as it seems to currently be).
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I’m confused why it’s not a response to that post? Anyone can test this themselves in the training zone but I don’t think that’s what most people mean when they use RNG as a misnomer.
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I understand that, but some people truly believe it is RNG. This post is for those people, and those that weren’t sure.
Some people say it as a misnomer, sure, but the aim of this post is to prove this is misinformation so that the wrong use of that word doesn’t confuse people that are none-the-wiser.
And since using the wrong term to describe something can spread misinformation, and unfortunately we can’t stop people from using misnomers I’d like to shut that confusion early on with some proof.
I’m only disproving a myth, that is all.
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Understandable. I finally put in the mild effort to record some controlled tests showing the lock-on effect on her beam in as clear a way as possible (i.e. killing people with the extra damage tick after they’ve left the area). The fact that it technically locks on is almost entirely inconsequential for gameplay and not the real point of that argument, but for whatever reason it annoys me that so many people believe it doesn’t.
Still have to find the time/patience to trim that up into a usable video sometime, though.
I’m not arguing for or against Moira either way but what does this really prove? The misnomer definition is what makes most people upset in the long run anyway I would think.
I totally agree with this sentiment.
I was only trying to inform those that didn’t know, so as to prevent confusion and misinformation for further spreading around.
Preventing misinformation. Some people genuinely don’t know whether Moira’s orb is RNG, or strongly believe so.
As I mentioned many times earlier, this post is only to inform those that do not know better. Not against those that use it as a misnomer, but those that are truly ignorant.
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The randomness is not based on the orb but instead Blizzard’s map geometry that sometimes renders seemingly flat surfaces as vertices and hence the orb interacts strangely. Also the number of bounces is obscene.
This thread is here to only disprove the orb being RNG. For those that truly believe it is, or those that aren’t sure.
I’m not claiming anything other than that. I’m only trying to end that particular misinformation so that people that are none-the-wiser can be properly informed.
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In a vacuum this is true but in real matches Moira’s have to move themselves and their mouse so it’s still pretty much random where it ends up after 10 seconds.
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Drekkz, I’ve mentioned this multiple times already.
This thread is only to prove the fact that the orb isn’t RNG.
It is only made to inform those that do not know whether it is, or think it truly is.
It is not made to stop people from using misnomers, and it is not made to discuss how hard it is to replicate.
Its only purpose is to inform those that are misinformed. Nothing more, nothing less.
There’s no use in arguing with me about people using misnomers, this thread isn’t for them. There is no use arguing with me about Moira’s orb bounces being highly unreliable and hard to replicate, this thread isn’t about that.
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Moira’s orb is RNG = I shoot an orb and the enemy will randomly be near it at different times.
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