Moira's damage, rework this hero. Please. [STATS included]

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Please stop saying she has the ‘lowest DPS’ in the game

She has higher elims/death ratio than ANY DPS:
https://gyazo.com/5dda36073fe525f7b084fcaae1e27b50

The solo kill and final blows stats are bugged for support because apparently mercy is at 7% solo kills, 100% sure moira’s is the highest out of all supports, zen might come close to being first for solo kills but moira is definitely a better damage dealer than zen is.

Moira has the highest healing per 10 and this will remain true even after the PTR patch because of shields being gone moira can shine even more.

Out of all supports, she has the SECOND highest damage per 10 only being outdamaged by one of the worst healers in the game, i.e, zenyatta. Zenyatta only does 1867 more damage per 10. These stats are from last 6 months so it includes the part where zen shot something other than shields.
https://gyazo.com/951179e4a942d8b3fdb93c2184a865ed

Also try not to make ignorant arguments like ‘she has no cc’ to make up for the fact that shes has the highest healing, highest damage out of all mainsupports along with one of the best main support ults that charges on a 30 second cooldown effortlessly.

Ana has the worst damage in the game sitting at the second lowest and she only out heals 2 OFF supports which is zen (obviously) and brigitte.

The fact that shields are gone means her damage will go up and so will her healing despite the nerf on PTR. She will remain one of the worst hero designs in the game.

The fact that moira’s damage is close to some of the DAMAGE dealing heroes is itself insane given that she has so much mobility and the highest healing output in the game. Even mercy whos main role is to only heal and damage boost sometimes has a lower healing than moira.

Moira is the main reason for healing powercreep so stop complaining about her PTR nerfs. It’s been 2 years and she still has an ability that makes the game play for her. If you’re managing to die to dps as a moira in a 1v1, you should consider not moving like a training bot and use fade to run away and use natural cover. There’s not really much gamesense involved here because playing out of LOS of snipers/hitscan is one of the most basic support skills u need to have but moira can usually play out of stun range of mccrees and kill them off with orb and right click in 2 seconds in a 1v1 situation. (I can do that against 4k+ mccrees so don’t you dare make another ignorant arguement calling the enemy mccree ‘bad’)

She also has the highest elims per 10:
https://gyazo.com/308894a72d4efcfc4cd0c1762998e385

There are only 2 DAMAGE DEALERS that do enough damage to up that, which is reaper and bastion. Reaper being absolutely broken, one of the main reasons for damage powercreep because of how long he can sustain himself and do damage before he uses wraith (which is on such a short cooldown) Reaper and doom are 2 of those heroes that have the 1 shot/quick killing abilities to outdamage moiras insane healing.

It is still surprising to see that devs haven’t nerfed reaper or hanzo with shields being gone, it’s like they are clueless and want damage creep to stay.

One more ignorant thing i see people say:
‘shes only good because of double shield’
I’ve already said above she say playtime in OWL during goats/quadtank meta. I can go a year back and find videos of people calling moira OP. She has always been better than ana in every rank below masters which is like 90% of the playerbase. Her pickrate in those ranks are low because most of them climb from bronze to gold, gold to diamond, diamond to masters/gm and so on fairly easily.

The only time ana was better in t500 was because people in the top 0.01% are good enough to get more value on ana than moira, also most of the top500s/GM’s are what these forums calls ‘skill elitist’ which shouldnt even be a term in a competitive skill based shooter that literally has an SR = SKILL RATING system. Therefore, the top 1% played ana instead of moira.

Here is the pickrate for the majority of the playerbase [pre double shield]: https://gyazo.com/2a2a2de92494220cadcec959a6b25666

Keep in mind, despite ana being a bit higher in pickrates in the 10% playerbase, moira has had higher WINRATES, which goes to show that if both heroes were viable people would pick ana over moira because moira is a bore to play.

Pickrates goes to show the general viability of heroes but people will always play what is more fun. The winrates show which hero performs better in a certain meta.

The only time moira wasn’t meta after her release was during the mercy mustpick meta and then the goats meta in which moira was viable in ladder play but release brigitte was the gamebreaking hero to be abused instead.

TLDR:
Moira has the best healing and damage in the game out of all supports. She has the best mobility on a 6sec cooldown, can disappear, can fade out of gravs. She doesn’t deny dive infact is fairly GOOD WITH dive on horizontal maps. What she denies is the entire idea of flanking which is why 250hp high damage/one shotters/selfhealing/shield gaining heroes like reaper+doom play.
Having no CC/Disables isn’t a good enough tradeoff to give her the best effortless heals, easiest highest damage for MAIN supp, fastest charging and a fight-changing ultimate. Moira has the best main support ult that can probably replace zenyatta’s trans because it takes half a minute to build up.

In conclusion, moira will remain the best main support regardless of the double shield meta. If people played moira a year ago in OWL, imagine how much she was played and how much she ruined the ranked games for most of the playerbase: https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=OWL+moira

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It’s almost like Moira gets so many elims and so much damage because she was made to be capable of contributing to the kill feed directly, not needing utility like Lucio for players to feel like they’re more actively contributing

That’d be crazy though right?

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She doesn’t have the best healing anymore.

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She does, Which hero do you think outheals a moira on PTR?

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Bapt by far.

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Moira has some of the worst final blows/ solo kill stats in the game.

And Ana has lower healing than Moira because of the lack of AoE, which she makes up for with Sleep Dart, Biotic Grenade, and Nanoboost; some of the best team boosting abilities in the game

Also Baptiste heals more than PTR Moira. He already is only around 1000 healing behind her on live

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Talks about damage. Says they have proof the damage is too high. Then shows elims, not damage. Calls other people ignorant. Doesn’t realize they are ignorant themselves. :woman_shrugging:

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Moira doesn’t have speed boost therefore she should be able to eliminate half their team AND keep everyone at full health AND get ult in 25 seconds. Good argument.

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That feel when Speed Boost is so powerful, that nerfing it made Lucio go from a must pick hero, to D-Tier

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Moira is a great design, bereft of any issues or needing for tweaks, and and all complaints are just sign of how truly good Moira players are and how much everyone else needs to “git gud” :laughing:

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That stat is bugged. Did you not read the post before commenting?

Good anas sleep like 5-8 people in an ENTIRE game, nade can be missed/has to be used for selfheal because she has 0 mobility. Nanoboost takes a while to charge up, it can be missed, needs to be timed right or its completely useless.
Moira will still have the best healing because she can AOE without missing, bap can miss and has to reload.

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Why do people keep citing elims as a stat when I can literally do 0.3 damage from a mile away as D.Va and if someone dies I get an elim for it because Overwatch logic.

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They way I saw it, Moira was made to be high in healing because she was supposed to be doing damage. That’s why the healing nerf doesn’t upset me. The way her orb works it makes sense she’d hit multiple targets, it means it does less damage individually. That opens up a greater opportunity for other teammates to finish kills, hence her high elims. Moira does a lot more assisting with kills than actually killing than people think. I’d rather her keep that than the high heals, but I think they gave her that out of fear she’d be terrible if she had Zen-like heals

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DVA is high because she has missiles and had decent survivability. Soldier can also do 0.3 damage from a mile away why is his elims lower than a support’s? Makes me wonder about that orb thing she spams to whittle down the enemy enough that solo queueing supports won’t heal.

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Those of us in the know focus on her lack of skill in issuing damage, we don’t pay attention to elims actually. Don’t confuse the real question with some who are looking at elims. We are smarter than that.

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Hmm… Is Moira higher in stats because she does more damage, or because DPS players are worse on average?

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She was in terms of a flawed thinking in how to design counter-dive Supports. That’s the core issue when combined with her sustain. Brig was corrected, work is now happening with Moira.

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The avereage Dps is outputing much more damage than Moira.

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Not when you look at accuracy, no they are not.

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Gotta love how you say she has the highest damage of all the supports yet you’ll use the most useless stat in overwatch, eliminations, but not the damage stat. Maybe it has to do with Zen being higher, and right now if Bapt doesn’t have higher damage it’s very close.

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