They need to buff and compensate this hero. She is already struggling, the only support in the game to not have any form of utility and to depend of her self-healing and lifesteal. Her “burst” healing is not a burst healing anymore for a long time now, it doesn’t have a big value in 5v5 anymore, her damage and Ult feels worse than ever, her play-making potential was destroyed. With the buffed DPS passive and no changes to her kit, this hero is totally dead! She is barely breathing now, but next season she is dead!
Her healing/survivability/dueling potential will be destroyed!
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Agree, but you’ll get a bunch of dissenters.
Also, some of them will have a valid point in that you can’t overbuff her for lower/console tiers of play because she’s already too strong there.
So, a number of solutions may need to be explored (i.e. Succ could increase the enemy’s weapon spread).
Didn’t read past the title and assumed that this thread was about giving Moira the 30% DPS passive.
Which, actually, maybe they should. It would be one way to add much-needed utility to her kit. Better yet, make it a separate passive that doesn’t linger, but can stack with the dps passive so that she’s particularly rewarded for playing with her team and contributing to focus fire, and less rewarded for being a little antisocial weirdo creeping around in a gold team’s backlines.
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Moira is far from being the best support, but that’s the price we pay for the ease of use.
I prefer this version of Moira over a more impactful, yet harder to play version.
The best case scenario: if they manage to inject some skillful utility within the kit without touching her basics and gameplay loop.
But to be frank, I have no faith in the current hero designers to reach this goal.
The few previous rework attempts they made were bad. Everytime they tried a rework they broke her usual gameplay loop, which is a disaster.
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imagine having to rely on hp packs, passive hp regen and your support mates for heals.
like every other role. 
like should we buff reaper bc he struggles to keep himself healed with his lifesteal?
Scarlet Witch is better…
Not only moira, but others too.
Without the burst perk, mercy’s hps is 42.
Lifeweaver’s hps will be 35.
Lucio’s amp will be 35 hps
Moira’s hps is at least 49 + 42orb. 90 hps capability, which is actually workable.
Her fade clears the dps passive from herself as well.
Instead of buffing the dps passive, the devs should have slightly nerfed the highest hps+burst supports.
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You missed the best part: Amp is a 12 second cd and lasts for 3 seconds.
His default hps is 11hps with the 30% passive. So for 9 out of every 12 seconds, he’s doing 11hps.
It’s even BETTER. With the passive his 11.4hps on himself becomes just under 8hps.
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That’s eleven more than zero.
He does less hps than Soldier. 
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That’s actually insane. The prophecy of Healer 76 is coming to fruition…
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I’m being a bit hyperbolic. Soldier is 9.3 hps if he’s using the thing on cd and Lucio averages out to ~16hps, I think?
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With perks being a thing, i wish they had one that upped her dmg to like… idk, 80 dps and would also increase her resource regeneration but was a normal beam weapon.
Or rework her to dps. Some tanks already are ready to throw when Moira is picked.
soldier’s perk that lets him heal himself and others at 80hps when they are critical is nothing to scoff at 
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Just a perk that allows her to headshot would be massive.
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This entire patch is just going to be garbage. The S tier DPS are going to be buffed even more by it and the average DPS will get little to no value from it.
I’m so done with genji being even remotely relevant, I wish they’d hit him with 9 consecutive nerfs just to get him out of our games for a hot minute.
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I just wish mercy could stay viable in gold, but the higher the dps passive climbs, the less useful she’ll be…
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Brooo, actually Illari struggling much more due to passive DPS.
Her kill potential was nerfed so much for buffing heal potential. Illari actually the burst healer, cause she gives big heal on short time. And you know what? DPS passive hurts burst heal more. So her recent heal buffs will be unactual.
At least Moira has a giant self-heal values (95 with orb, 66 under new DPS passive) Illari will receive 28 hps from her own pylon with new DPS passive instead of 40 hps.
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Her major perk is good but with S17 changes her ult is just bad.
Just got to ask is her necrotic orb (major perk) going to stack with dps passive?