Moira Output Damage Unbalanced

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I don’t wanna be that kinda guy that says “oh this hero is OP, oh that hero is OP” but I mean…I just feel like Moira’s output damage is unbalanced. I mean her damage ball deals 200 damage if it all hits, which is enough to kill most squishy’s in one go. Then not to mention if she’s beaming you down with her death beam as well as the ball, she can deal insane damage for a support hero. My last issue with Moira is that the range on that death beam is ridiculous. I mean, I feel like it deserves to be longer range than Symmetra’s portal gun, but not as much reach of a sniper.

Overall I’m not saying she deserves to be nerfed like crazy but I definitely think she needs re balancing.

What I would personally do is either reduce the duration of the damage ball, so it’ll still do the same amount of damage, but for only up to 100 maximum. If not a reduction in duration then I would reduce the overall damage of the ball overtime so it would take longer to deal 200 damage.

With regards to the range of her biotic grasp, 21 meters? really? like wow. That’s an insane 14 meters increase of Symmetras portal gun. I would personally reduce the range of the biotic grasp to a maximum of 14 meters. I mean I’m not saying she should be nerfed to the point where she is underpowered, but 21 meters is a bit stupid for a support hero with a beam based attack.

Other than that, she’s okay I guess.

Your thoughts/opinions?

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It sure is hard to dodge a slow traveling orb…

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Yea, it is? When you’re in a small room and she tosses the orb inside the room and then right clicks you, then what?

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Given that she doesn’t even have to aim, it’s insane and totally wrong, imo. She also has vampiric effect on the right click with ridiculous range. Yea, not op at all.

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then you die and come complain on the forum obviously

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If you’re a character that isn’t very fast and doesn’t have any escape abilities, and if you are as Galahad says in a small room, then yeah it’s hard to escape it. Obviously if you’re a self healer or someone with escape abilities like Genji, Reaper, Mei, Soldier etc then it’s easier to avoid, but if you’re say Hanzo, Mcree, Ana or Widow, it’s a little harder especially if their abilities are on cooldown

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If you are a low mobility hero (like zenyatta) and you get caught ALONE in a small room with moira, that means:

  • you weren’t playing with your team
  • the ennemy moira is not playing with her team either and is not healing them
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I don’t really see there being many if at all a situation where a Hanzo, Mcree, Ana or Widow should be in a position where Moira could isolate them.

Mcree and Ana should be near their team.

Widow and Hanzo have mobility and should be extremely far away from the fight.

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Or:

  • She does 50 DPS
  • She needs the range to refill her healing
  • Her beam doesn’t ramp up, so stop comparing it to Sym’s
  • If you are in a small room and Moira throws her damage orb at you, you got outplayed.
  • Don’t walk with the orb. Instead move sideways away from it.
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You make good arguments, but I’m saying in general, her output damage is too high. I mean say for example I’m with my team, as is Moira, and you happen to be her target, and I’m say Mcree, yes I understand it will depend on my ability to actually aim and aim well, but by the time I’ve popped off maybe 2 or 3 shots I’m probably already dead. Not to mention she heals as she damages. So if she throws her damage orb at you and is death beaming you and I’m just popping off shots, then meh.

I do know a few counters to her of course, DVA and RH being 2 of them. Pharah I guess is another, but if you fly too low then that OP range will get ya

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i sttoped to take seriously this thread with those posts, you have 37 mins total moira playtime, ofc you dont know how moira works at all, her beam isnt similar to sym’s hard lock, you have to aim, 30 hp self heal / sec … SO OP… when any dps can outdamage her with a decent aim and brains, you feel sniped with moira’s range? lol… this forums never cease to amaze me… basically is " this hero killed me, that means she is op, nerf her cuz she ruined my fun "

FFS… please play a little more the hero and learn how it works and how counter her before coming to rant in the forums…

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Agreed. I think the damage ball is the problematic ability. It’s cheap and spammy AF, it’s often unavoidable, and it makes her preposterously strong 1v1. Needs deleted.

It’s an especial kick in the nuts for Ana, who, after getting her last role in the game taken by Moira, has to take spam damage from an orb she left randomly bouncing around, after she just used a biotic grenade on a 10 second cooldown to partially heal herself, and with absolutely mo means of escape. It’s totally egregious.

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I’m not being toxic btw so wind your necks in? it’s a general opinion/discussion so no need to get lippy. I know how she works I’m not a retard. I’m saying for a support hero she does too much damage. If the ball did 100 damage overall instead of 200 I’d be fine with that. If her range from her beam was reduced from 21 to a maximum of say 14/15 I’d be fine with that. The damage of the beam I can live with, it’s just when combined with her ball, it’s a little hard to avoid if you’re a low mobility hero.

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I guess this is the OP:

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Moira’s damage ball and her range are perfectly fine. I don’t think Moira is OP, if and this is a very big if she is overtuned the only culprits would be her very generous self healing from biotic grasp or her healing output since on average it’s much higher than all the other healers.

If people truly think Moira is too strong they’re looking at the wrong places.

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If you are in a teamfight and the ennemy moira is trying to dps you mccree of all people that means:

  • She is bad. Unless she notice that you took damage and have like 50 HP left so she tries to finish you.
  • You should try to stay more behind your tank.
  • Her orb will split its damage across multiple people so its less dangerous.
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She has the lowest damage output in the game. Her beam does less than Winston despite it being single target.

Also, she literally needs her range to recharge her healing resource. Without long range, she is 100% useless.

Here is what happened, since you wanna get all wild and defensive:

You went after a Moira, you can’t aim and missed every shot including your scatter, you got wrecked by her trickle DPS and you lost and you’re mad.

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That same argument could be said of Junkrat or Reinhardt’s charge.

If you go into a tiny cramped room with a hero with abilities like that, you really only have yourself to blame.

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:rofl: good one! I should watch this movie!

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…and in either case you deserve to die?