We all know that good players can deal with a flanking Moira. It’s just a skill issue. Land your shots, and you will win. Her TTK is 3.8 sec man ! She can’t win if you just aim.
Well, all of this is true, as shown in this video :
Ok, I know. It’s Jay3, he knows what he’s doing, it’s unranked, so you don’t know how good his enemies are, but it’s his main account (I imagine he’s played unranked before, so he’s not “smurfing”, he’s supposed to have an MMR), and I thought it was a funny way to put things in perspective… 30-5 kd, 14k dps, and 5k healing just by healing himself… I think it’s clear that dps Moira is weak
If ppl miss a few shots, they lose to moira. If they hit them, they win. She is still pretty darn good in 1v1 due to most ppl missing those shots, even in pretty high ranks. Plus her healing with heal orb means they have to hit a bunch of shots.
You are too rude. Think about someone has no skill and no brain. They’ll be punished so hard in other fair games. It’s so sad. OW devs pity them. They should be able to punish better skilled people too.
I was already playing in S8 (and before that), and I didn’t have a meltdown
I’ve never been bothered by Kiriko, for a number of reasons : she has to aim, Moira almost doesn’t have to ; the 2 tap mostly works at close range, and it’s still inconsistent, while Moira has 20m range and no risk of missing shots ; the only self heal she has is suzu, on a 15 sec CD, and it’s much less healing than leech and healing orb ; she doesn’t have a massive stickybouncy orb that she can throw at you with no aiming required and a 4m radius. If I die to a Kiriko, it’s either that she outskilled me, or she got lucky with the kunais. If I die to a Moira, it’s just that the fight was not fair.
No offense to him but this doesnt look like GM or high ranked gameplay based on his opponents lol
Multiple times the enemy engaged him in 1v1’s and missed 60% of their shots. Like I specifically saw an ashe chase him into a small room then get orbed and beamed. As if she didn’t play that completely wrong. To me this just feels like forced gameplay to push a fake agenda
——————————————— Edit: Its fake. You can clearly see he purposely queues for qp at the very start of the video.
Ironic he knows he can’t lock moira in an actual comp match with his mmr and do what he was able to do in the video. Only way he can show moira out to be broken is by dunking on lower ranked players in an uncoordinated setting. Kind of pathetic. Reminds me of unranked to GM streamers who think they are proving a point when in reality they just prove how dogsht of a human being they are
Let’s see him queue comp with his mmr at GM and do the same. Its easy to jump into QP and make anything look absurd when people are of varying skill levels and not fully trying to win
Let’s see him Lock moira in comp where his opponents are actually of the same skill level as him and see how much less he gets away with when suddenly that ashe 2 taps him with no consideration
That doesn’t mean it’s not working even in high ranks. Want another proof (less dps Moira, but Moira that does dps anyway) ? Here you go, all fresh and new. ML7, GM3.
First game : 37-9 kd, 13k damage and 19k healing. More elims, less deaths, and equal dps as the other dps in his team.
Second game : 24-9, 14k dmg, 26k healing. On par with one of his dps, the other has 23k dmg.
Can we stop pretending Moira is not really strong, however you want to play her ?
No offense to ml7 but he really wasnt doing much himself in the video when you actually take a step back and look at the gameplay
In the First game You can clearly see around the 4 min mark on the video when the enemy team swapped off sombra tracer reaper sigma to orisa sojourn bap etc, he suddenly started to not actually be able to do anything.
His tank was getting obliterated because without utility like suzu immo or nade moira has no playmaking outside raw numbers. Moira’s healing was not enough to sustain their rein through the immense poke. They literally only won that fight because the enemy dps trolled and lost a 4v2 by allowing reaper and moira to just contest for 30 seconds straight til reaper could build ult and kill them. If they had just gone in there and killed them the enemy would have won. Nothing ml7 did on moira won him that game. In the end it was enemy misplay and his reaper which won it for them
It’s Almost like she is only good vs those dive heroes. + good vs sig obviously since she can dmg thru his grasp. Once the enemy went to a more poke comp with soj orisa bap, his moira became useless because suddenly she cant just tickle duel flankers anymore. When she has an orisa barrelling at her and a sojourn railgunning her across the map moira loses all her effectiveness
Sure. There will always be excuses, always ways to defend the poor Moira who doesn’t do anything despite all the proofs in the world. What can I say mate ? You’re free to believe what you want.
2nd game again he pretty much did nothing on moira
It was mauga and bastion doing all the heavy lifting and winning fights. He was just pumping healing and tickle damage
They literally won because the enemy c9’d the point
He would have been better off playing ana in that match and just nading the enemy mauga off cooldown. Moira wasnt really getting much value other than just stat farming
Game 3 was literally a dps diff. He once again did nothing of value on moira. Map 1 he literally died at the start of last fight because ball tracer coordinated a dive and just blew him up. Yet even when down their main support his dps were able to get 4 kills between them and completely swing that fight to a win. Nothing he did on moira won him that round. A lot of Map 2 was edited so I have no idea how it played out but they lost it. Map 3 again his dps carried him. Final fight, his cass and mei killed 4 between them while he was running around like a headless chicken not knowing what to do
Moira may output big numbers but if you actually watch his gameplay he isnt actually doing much. He is just throwing orbs in which pads his stats but doesnt secure kills. He is tickling enemies like ball for 100-200 damage to refill his healing but he isnt slaughtering them with this op dmg beam everyone is crying about. Face it, moira even when played by top players gets very little value. She has such a low skill ceiling meaning there is only so much you can do on the hero that it holds her back from being able to get true value.
In all 3 games he averaged about 10k dmg 20k healing but if you actually watch his gameplay he really wasnt doing anything of much value for his team. Moira is just a stat padding number stick. She throws out big numbers but its all just trash non direct dmg and healing. Most of her dmg is just her tickling people to refill her heals or from her orb. Most of her healing is from her lingering heal on her spray or her orb. The only time she is actually dealing directed damage and healing is with her ult which pierces both enemies and allies which again pads her stats to make it looks like she is doing more than she actually is
As I said, you’ll always find something. I can submit another one, but you’ll find something too, right ? He wasn’t that good, it was before the mid season patch… I don’t know… Something to prove that Moira is bad in duels, for… reasons.
P.S : you did not address the question of Jay3’s MMR… Are we to suppose he’s never played unranked on his main account, and that he’s therefore smurfing ? Sure, it’s not as accurate a MM as ranked is, but it’s still supposed to match you against enemies of roughly your level. Nor did you address the question of accuracy, if I’m not mistaken.
The only time she gets any value is against hyper mobile dive heroes like tracer sombra or genji because she can actually hold her own against them
Anything else she just falls over and gets no value other than stat padding
Qp matchmaking is pretty much non existent lol. Most of the people in that game were probably diamonds
It certainly wasnt 5v5 GMs lol. That much was very apparent
What about accuracy? Lol any decent dps can outduel a moira because she has ~30-40% of their damage output. As long as you are hitting 30-40% accuracy where it matters you should be killing her before she kills you.
Most dps have the potential to consistently kill her within 2 seconds. She takes 4 to kill you. You literally have over double the time to kill her. Also chances are if shes in your backline you have a support nearby to even help you out, she likely has no one nearby to bail her out.
Other supports offer more value, that’s always been the case. She offers high healing and high damage, consistent, reliable. And high survivability. She’s not bad in high ranks (there are plenty of Moiras in the leaderboard, even though she’s outshined by other supports like Kiri and Lucio), and she’s super oppressive in lower ranks. She’s just not a bad hero. Bad design ? Yes, for sure. Bad hero ? No.
Yes, and Moira has high self sustain, and a clease / escape / reposition every 6 sec. You will chase her away for a few sec, and she’ll be back in no time, fully healed. And you won’t have your CDs, and she’ll have hers.
Anyway. You keep thinking Moira is bad, I’ll keep knowing she’s not. It’s all good No need to agree
No lol. Maybe across a full match her numbers may look big but in the second to second gameplay she does not output big heals or damage. If you want big healing pick ana, if you want big damage pick zen or illari
Like i said most of her stats are just trash padding. Not effective healing or damage. Kiri is the perfect example of how effective damage works. A kiri will likely end the game with 3-4k dmg compared to Moira’s 10k but chances are kiri’s 3-4k damage actually secured her kills because kiri only does damage where she is specifically trying to get an elim. whereas most of moira’s 10k dmg was likely just tickling beam and orbs bouncing around, not actually getting any elims
That is the only reason she is ever actually played. She has the survivability to play into tracer sombra and genjis. That is the only thing she brings to a fight and why she is being picked a lot rn
She is bad. She is only picked rn because she plays well into tracer who is also all over the leaderboards
Tracer wasnt amazing last season and surprise neither was moira. Its only because dive is absurd she is being played rn. As a support When you feel like you are getting harassed by 2 flankers moira is the best hero to go to because you have self sufficiency and can defend yourself if you get dived on. That says more about how it feels to play into tracer genji comps than moira as a hero
