Given the extreme, and almost child-like rage, which is the feedback the community has given? I’d say fade isnt going through. Fine. I can see the power in it and I can see the arguments for it being op, I get it.
I personally really want the grasp and orb changes to go through. Orbs max damage might need to be dropped a bit in order to stop her bursting people down in literal seconds.
But other than that I like that she requires more input. I wholeheartedly think the other two changes are healthy.
Fade? Ehh… id rather it be single target cleanse, or just a cleanse. But I have to be reasonable and say this wouldn’t help anything and would be very frustrating for most players.
A side note, I get that this idea was risky, but it was fun. If you are raging and insulting the devs for trying an idea? Youre the reason overwatch is unapproachable. Everyone will see that and go “nope”
Feedback is fine. Strong feedback is also fine. Insults and raging at people who are just trying to let us have fun with new things? Isn’t it fam. Its just not.
6 Likes
To be honest I think they shoidl put all of it to live and watch her performance a bit.
Similar to Genji, if she ends up too oppressive, they can nerf her again or revert the changes and try some different ones.
But I personally thing that the grasp nerf and the modtly orb nerfs is actually a good compensation for the team fade.
Since the orb will only be effective if someone is hugging it, i think it will be fine if everything goes though.
We mught have to see.
12 Likes
Fade isn’t as op as people are ranting it’s extremely tough to get it to be useful to team.
Honestly it can be tested on live, i guess extreme moira mains may put in time to get some plays of it.
13 Likes
I agree the right click and orb nerfs are a good direction. But If fade doesn’t also go through, she will need other buffs. Not just 2 nerfs that make her worse.
13 Likes
I think depending on how good the reflexes of the Moira player are, the better she will carry.
If your Moira gets hit by shatter for days, she ain’t gonna do anything.
But if she dodges it every single time, she gives her entire team shattered behind her 1s of invincibility, effectively cutting it’s duration from 2.5s to 1.5s (since it doesn’t make yoyr allies get up i think).
1 Like
That’s also what I was thinking. I planned to make a thread after all the streamer related topics go away, but not going to do it because you already said it(adds more desition in who gave the buff).
Isn’t that the change Jeff said they were unsure about?
People need to stop freaking out. It has a good chance of not going live.
Testing changes? And we shouldn’t argue?
Since nobody’s saying it, i really think the dev team has got no clue in terms of balancing the game after losing key people. Now it’s run by clowns who knows nothing about initial design and vision of OW. Including Jeff who was a side cast alongside Chris.
After watching the game’s state for the last 2 years, I hope OW2 fails significantly and these clowns know ignoring your consumer base won’t net you any result.
Maybe. Losing their jobs will give them enough free time to reflect on it. Just like project Titan did.
…But why are these Moira changes bad exactly?
Didn’t most people want more cleanses in the game that aren’t Zarya bubble??
I don’t get it.
it might go through knowing blizzard they might want to give the moira players a bone for a while since genji was insanely buffed for a period of time. it is kinda shallow but if it happens im fading all day everyday baby
Maybe from now on, devs should literally preface every single experimental card with “This was decided to be a failure and most likely won’t be going live”
2 Likes
I am so nervous that those will both go through without buffs, like she’s already doggy doo in high ranks lol
just make me not play the game more 
They can check all my accts to see how little I’ve put into this game since they announced more moira nerfs.
While zen, Moira sit in trash mode Ana and Brig are having the time of their lives?
I don’t think Ana needs a nerf, I think other main supports need buffs.
3 Likes
I’ll give you few reasons.
I really think their should be more cleansing abilities. Nade doesn’t have counterplay in proper dive outside of immortality field. Halt nade dynamite will kill your 200hp heroes unless you run a bap.
That being said, this is why changes like this are really really bad.
Your combos mean nothing. Ults mean nothing. For example, im double shield meta, Stigma’s ult is the reason teamfights often won and lost.
If you check most games along with the ones you play, you’ll notice that often your teammates won’t be able to get any kills. Because you need burst damage to break through.
The changes won’t be making Moira skilled. It’ll just make her must pick alongside lucio (imagine having 2 disengaging tools just from supports that already have high uptime).
That means, you’re going into meta of: Doom one shotting you. Widow hanzo getting 90% playtime.
Tell me that these heroes are more healthy than your averge genji which is easy to shut down.
So reducing orb damage so it’s max range is 3m and does 25dps and 0-1m (way less than reaper effective range) for it to do 150 per second (and it passes people quicker than 1 second, so it only does 125 damage if it goes directly through them)
And also -37% hit box
is still no skill
who would have thought? I’m not surprised in the slightest that Moira will still be called braindead after having her “ez mode” removed.
4 Likes
Good. Ults SHOULD be less impactful. They’re a problem in this game.
Also,I fail to see how these changes would make Moira a must pick.
It wasn’t her who made the game rely on burst damage due to sustain creep. Not it was Brig and Sigma.
1 Like
that cleanse will be real powerful it probably wont go through since it would really nullify anti-nade in every game even in the low ranks, i dont think it will be hard to pull off heh. basically ana’s nade will be deleted if there is a moira
Symmetra mains 
Moira mains
Still having to deal with getting called no aim/no skill
1 Like
Exactly! I said this months ago that it would happen if Moira had her range reduced, they’d still call her no skill just like Sym!!!
2 Likes
Honestly,the toxic and messy community is one reason why I stopped playing OW.
I’d rather play League and miss my hooks as Thresh all day than dea with this nonsense.
You literally have got no clue on what you’re talking about if you think ults shouldn’t have value.
Let me clear it for you. No one hero should be must pick in any game. Especially if they’ve got 0 risk high reward playstyle.
As for Moira requiring aiming. Nice one btw. I love how you think you need perfect aiming to get value out of it.