That feel when Brig was a niche hero until they overbuffed Ashe and released Echo
The same thing happened with Sigma and Orisa, where after they were buffed, they were used for at most 3-4 days before dropping back to the bottom, and slowly climbed upwards after the Ashe buff/ Echo launch
But no, yes, Brigitte is a problem, despite not being anywhere near meta since last year
No double sniper was good until the first nerf. And then they needed brig in it to counter dive, than they just put in dva and boom goats
I disagree. It is not the current power level overall, it is only because of Moira and Brigitte.
More like damagecreep has destroyed the game. Sustain has been nerfed whilst at the same time burst is higher than ever. At this point, the devs are close to rendering supports useless unless they can burst heal.
We need to seriously nerf all the damage in this game. Either that or buff sustain.
Also, Brig and Moira were necessary evils to combat flankers. Back before they were introduced, there was constant complaints about how oppressive flankers were against supports.
Brig was never a part of double sniper.
Tru, the meta evolved to a place where double sniper needed brig to replace hanzo
??? Literally did not happen.
That doesnât even make any logical sense. Double sniper, including hanzo⌠the other sniper to double sniper⌠was played up until goats took off after 2018 Open Division. Brig couldnât do anything to double sniper, both in it and against it sheâs a melee hero whoâs over heal still got burst through. Why are you so insistent she was played around that time. Brig came out for a short period of triple support that finally put a deterrent into dive and quickly disappeared for grav dragon. After the damage boost nerf grav dragon evolved to double sniper and we played that meta for like 2 seasons till goats was found.
Yes, thatâs why it continued to be the meta for over a year, still the longest running meta this game has ever seen btw. Goats came close but even it didnât last as long.
Literally have never changed my stance on this. Iâve been the one saying this from the very begining. Goats created goats to deal with double sniper. You can try and spin that and take it apart how ever you want, the point is pretty cut and clear regardless if you try and pin it as âthey didnât have a strong hitscan dpsâ aka, a widow player, âso they played bruiser comps with teamworkâ aka, goats, to try and survive it.
Of course it wasnât a counter to double shield, double shield didnât exist then. Double shield wasnât core till like a year later once they nerfed every tank and support to the ground and buffed and reworked a huge portion of the dps class while also forcing 2/2/2. 'Causing players to play double shield in order to survive the incredible amount of damage creep that was 'caused from trying to âfixâ goats rather than the problem, double sniper. What were you even attempting to prove here? This holds no relevance to anything.
You can keep living in that delusion, but weâve got literal video evidence of Widow being played in dive:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VJVQD1fFTT4
Weâve got video analysis to the contrary of your assertions with double sniper being a thing:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNoatHet6DI
Like, you really donât have a leg to stand on in this conversation unless youâre spewing false hoods with absolutely nothing to back it up. At best you can claim moth meta was different from dive, in which case, thatâs highly debated from pretty much everybody still, considering moth meta was just dive with mercy instead of lucio. Itâs a moot point.
Awful lot of typing there to say absolutely nothing. Youâre just wrong.
I like how Moira is being blamed when she didnât become meta until after Sigma was was released, five characters after she was released almost two years later. Also the fact she was released right when the moth meta started, aka Dive yet somehow destroyed flanking?
Going by forum logic for when a character that was considered weak up until some streamer says they are strong, she was actually always op but literally nobody noticed.
Have you read what he wrote, he said that sigma broke the game with his upgraded symm barrier.
During stage 4 either the support buffs didnât go thru or goats didnât have enough mastery but they transitioned to widow brig zarya and the goats core.
So like. I may or may not get back to this but
Moira was meta literally once ever and it was after GOATS just let her freaking rest
Imagine still thinking in 2020 that 2/2/2 role - lock was exclusively implemented to the game due to the Goats comp⌠
And like, OP, throughout this post are you implying that Overwatch has died just and only due to 2/2/2 role - lock? Because if you are, I would love to see any actual evidence that proves this bold claim of yours.
OW is dying, it has from the moment it was released. everything must die. and while the decay of the player base is not so rapid as to call it dying. it is still giving the sense of decline. true OW2 might give new life to the IP, but then again it could cause it to be tossed aside like battlefront 2 was
They didnât. Stage 4 was Grav dragon. It had nothing to do with Goats. Every comp with Rein Zarya is not goats. And Brigitte was non existent in that meta unless someone was foolish enough to attempt dive which didnât happen too often because Brigitte shut down dive.
Stage 4 was also when everyone in the pro scene threw a fit and caused a big controversy because live servers were playing storm arrow Hanzo, but stage 4 OWL was played on an old patch with scatter arrow Hanzo.
Not only due to 2-2-2, but it has been a big factor in its downturn.
Brigitte and Moira are other big factors, and IMO they combined contributed the vast majority of the downturn.
You mean, just like Counterstrike is dying⌠right? And LoL⌠right?
Two games much, much older than Overwatch.
just looking at your post, you have no idea how the game works whatsoever.
brig and moira was an auto win against flankers regardless of skill, and brig created goats period.
They were both a good step in the direction to reign in hyper-mobility. Both are necessary, and if Blizz wants to keep buffing mobile heroes and displacements, hard-CC and soft-aim requirements are going to be mandatory.
No, you donât understand how the game works. Youâre either under the impression that an entire teamâs synergy of 6 heroâs working together is only possible because of a single hero, or youâre delusional.
Given Youâre a sniper player who abused broken one hit mechanics that the majority of the cast of heroâs canât prevent to get to GM and top 500. You, being somebody who played in GM and top 500 would know for a fact Brig was non existent during double sniper. You would also know for a fact that goats continued even without Brig, when bap replaced her for the short period of time before 2/2/2 was forced. Brig enabled goats, but she didnât cause it, and it continued without her.
But youâll never admit to any of that, because youâre biased AF being a sniper main bent on defending how broken double sniper actually was.